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	<title>Comments on: N.M. deputy under fire for spouting atheist views to Christian protesters</title>
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		<title>By: Ishmael</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/07/28/n-m-deputy-under-fire-for-spouting-atheist-views-to-christian-protesters/#comment-33709</link>
		<dc:creator>Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 06:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to add, There&#039;s also THIS story about Valencia County Sheriff Rene Rivera&#039;s recent purchase of 3 custom trucks in Dallas.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1684133.shtml?cat=0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to add, There&#8217;s also THIS story about Valencia County Sheriff Rene Rivera&#8217;s recent purchase of 3 custom trucks in Dallas.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1684133.shtml?cat=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1684133.shtml?cat=0</a><br />
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		<title>By: Ishmael</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/07/28/n-m-deputy-under-fire-for-spouting-atheist-views-to-christian-protesters/#comment-33707</link>
		<dc:creator>Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 06:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a new wrinkle in the Bernalillo County Sheriff&#039;s Department. The BC Deputies Assn. union is talking of holding a &quot;no-confidence&quot; vote on BC Sheriff Manny Gonzales over alleged preferential treatment of his brother BCSO Lt. James Gonzales by the Sheriff. More on the story at this link:

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1698158.shtml?cat=500

Also, there&#039;s THIS story about Sandoval County Sheriff John Paul Trujillo getting pulled over by NM state police a few days ago for speeding and running a red light.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1697480.shtml?cat=500

BCSO polices the South Valley, where I used to live for a time and was a hotbed of heroin dealers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a new wrinkle in the Bernalillo County Sheriff&#8217;s Department. The BC Deputies Assn. union is talking of holding a &#8220;no-confidence&#8221; vote on BC Sheriff Manny Gonzales over alleged preferential treatment of his brother BCSO Lt. James Gonzales by the Sheriff. More on the story at this link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1698158.shtml?cat=500" rel="nofollow">http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1698158.shtml?cat=500</a></p>
<p>Also, there&#8217;s THIS story about Sandoval County Sheriff John Paul Trujillo getting pulled over by NM state police a few days ago for speeding and running a red light.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1697480.shtml?cat=500" rel="nofollow">http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1697480.shtml?cat=500</a></p>
<p>BCSO polices the South Valley, where I used to live for a time and was a hotbed of heroin dealers.<br />
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		<title>By: Benjamin Geiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Geiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 02:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally see nothing illegal about what Ofc. Goff did. Stupid, perhaps.

Ofc. Allen, however, needs to write the Constitution by hand a hundred times, then someone needs to take that paper, roll it up, and smack him over the head with it. Then he needs to take a refresher course on photography law.

And I&#039;m curious about the video editing. Was it simply for time? Is the unedited video available anywhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally see nothing illegal about what Ofc. Goff did. Stupid, perhaps.</p>
<p>Ofc. Allen, however, needs to write the Constitution by hand a hundred times, then someone needs to take that paper, roll it up, and smack him over the head with it. Then he needs to take a refresher course on photography law.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m curious about the video editing. Was it simply for time? Is the unedited video available anywhere?<br />
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 23:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem with the cop responding to him when he told him he was going to hell. He was simply saying that his taunts had no effect. As to freedom of speech, you have freedom of speech on public and on your land. You have no right to trespass on other people&#039;s land. That violates their rights as property owners. This cop acted in-line with the law. I happen to know these idiots from years ago - there is a lot more to the story. They constantly trespass, urinate on soldier&#039;s graves, show-up and harass grieving families, harass others at their places of business and homes. You have freedom of speech, but your rights cannot erode those rights of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with the cop responding to him when he told him he was going to hell. He was simply saying that his taunts had no effect. As to freedom of speech, you have freedom of speech on public and on your land. You have no right to trespass on other people&#8217;s land. That violates their rights as property owners. This cop acted in-line with the law. I happen to know these idiots from years ago &#8211; there is a lot more to the story. They constantly trespass, urinate on soldier&#8217;s graves, show-up and harass grieving families, harass others at their places of business and homes. You have freedom of speech, but your rights cannot erode those rights of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking the same thing a lot of other people have said at first:  hey it&#039;s private property, they can move &#039;em.

But after further consideration, I think Carlos is right:

1) Did the owners of the property request the removal?

2) Did they wish to press charges?

Those are really the only two things that matter.  And by the way, isn&#039;t it actually COOLER when Christians are protesting your band?

This whole thing seems like the cop just didn&#039;t like the protesters, not that the property owners cared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking the same thing a lot of other people have said at first:  hey it&#8217;s private property, they can move &#8216;em.</p>
<p>But after further consideration, I think Carlos is right:</p>
<p>1) Did the owners of the property request the removal?</p>
<p>2) Did they wish to press charges?</p>
<p>Those are really the only two things that matter.  And by the way, isn&#8217;t it actually COOLER when Christians are protesting your band?</p>
<p>This whole thing seems like the cop just didn&#8217;t like the protesters, not that the property owners cared.<br />
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		<title>By: Matthew Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 05:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m both a photographer &amp; an Atheist &amp; i agree with the cops on this one. 

the polices main job is to keep the peace &amp; athiests showing up at a christian event to protest is not keeping the peace. Same goes if the situation was reversed.

The were not moved because they had camera, they were moved on for trespassing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m both a photographer &amp; an Atheist &amp; i agree with the cops on this one. </p>
<p>the polices main job is to keep the peace &amp; athiests showing up at a christian event to protest is not keeping the peace. Same goes if the situation was reversed.</p>
<p>The were not moved because they had camera, they were moved on for trespassing.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Molecule</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Molecule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After finally watching that videio, the bald cop seemed alright. I agree with the cop on religion but I guess it should mostly be kept to himself while on the job. Although I have to wonder what provoked his response since there were edits right at those points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After finally watching that videio, the bald cop seemed alright. I agree with the cop on religion but I guess it should mostly be kept to himself while on the job. Although I have to wonder what provoked his response since there were edits right at those points.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that it was wrong to kick them off... I wonder why they were wasting their time there anyway. Certainly there are more useful things to do with their time, especially as Christians? Perhaps feed the homeless? That&#039;s something Christ would&#039;ve done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that it was wrong to kick them off&#8230; I wonder why they were wasting their time there anyway. Certainly there are more useful things to do with their time, especially as Christians? Perhaps feed the homeless? That&#8217;s something Christ would&#8217;ve done.</p>
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		<title>By: Pinandpuller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pinandpuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rail Car Fan

I guess mr. athiest cop wasn&#039;t on time and a half lol.

I think along with cameras grafted on cop&#039;s heads they need a shot clock as it were.  If you let the clock run out before you obey the &quot;lawful order&quot; you get arrested.  At least there would be an objective standard independent of the cop&#039;s mood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rail Car Fan</p>
<p>I guess mr. athiest cop wasn&#8217;t on time and a half lol.</p>
<p>I think along with cameras grafted on cop&#8217;s heads they need a shot clock as it were.  If you let the clock run out before you obey the &#8220;lawful order&#8221; you get arrested.  At least there would be an objective standard independent of the cop&#8217;s mood.</p>
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