Don’t scream when tortured, do as the torturer demands, eh? And you’re /still/ making things up. Why wouldn’t she scream when tortured? Do they give an academy award for screaming?

“You so desperately want to prove that you are so objective and fair minded yet you condemn the officers even though its not clear what the true nature of the call was and what transpired behind the unit. Yet when I point of this lack of knowledge, you declare it shows my bias?”

I don’t have to “prove” my superior objectivity, iut shows in every post. You’re the one desperately grasping at straws clinging to your “cop good, victim bad” bias. What crime was she committing? Murder? Assault? Selling drugs? Theft? Or was she just getting uppity with a thug? Oh, that’s right…

“You can say she called police and then was tased but that leaves out a hell of alot of important information. ” Like she backed away from an overly-aggressive cop, perchance? He just couldn’t wait to cuff her, after all. She took a “fight or flight stance”, or so said the cop. His opinion justified the cuffing, right?

Oh, and lets not forget that Officer Clumsy tripped and hurt his knee. Definitely grounds for arrest there. (/sarcasm)

“You list of facts leave out all the details and that makes the difference.” /Your/ list leaves out a lot of details, too. So? That justifies you making things up?

“My speculation isn’t making a judgement call one way or the other”. Yes, it is. It’s defending the cops who arrested and tortured the victim who called for help. She did nothing wrong, save for running away from the mean who was threatening her.

“Most use of force incidents (or any police incident) aren’t near as simple as folks like Carlos of Dodge Ball would like you to think”. In other words, you assert that police get to abuse anyone, for any reason, and then lie and play games to justify it. Bullshit. The woman arrested here wasn’t a criminal, a fact you conveniently forget. She called for help from the police, and the police “helped” her into the back of the squad car. Why? Because she didn’t kiss ass enough? Bullshit. The cop on-site mismanged his call, and made her pay the price for his incompetence. Fact.

As for your attacking me on “objectivity”, I’ll take that as an acknowledgement that you are not objective at all. The only way you’ll accept police wrongdoing is with overwhelming evidence /proving/ the officer’s guilt. With a citizen, you’ll just need a whiff of something. As in this case. A mountain of evidence against the cops, and a molehill against the victim, and all you can do is desperately defend the cops, claiming “it’s complicated”. Too complicated for you, obviously.

“Objective” my ass. You dn’t want objective, you want a bunch of cheerleaders to look the other way when your “brothers” break the law. Feh.

“She was more than capable of doing what he said. She just wanted to lay there and play drama queen.” You made up her intent. You have no idea what was going through the mind of the innocent woman at the time she was being tortured into compliance.

The whole point of that discussion was the fact that she was not incapable of following the demands of the officer due to the taser. She was screaming like she was trying for an academy award. You know the best way to stop the taser? Do what the officer directs you to do. Simple and much more effective than screaming your head off.

” Give me solid evidence that the cops on the scene were tasering someone threatening them, and I’ll back the cops. You can’t, because there’s no evidence that the cops were being threatened.”

I fee like we are going in circles here. You so desperately want to prove that you are so objective and fair minded yet you condemn the officers even though its not clear what the true nature of the call was and what transpired behind the unit. Yet when I point of this lack of knowledge, you declare it shows my bias? Give me a freaking break. You don’t know all the facts but you have made a rock solid decision on this case anyway. You can write a block of text all you want but you know there is no honest way you can call yourself objective and open minded on this.

You list of facts leave out all the details and that makes the difference. You can say she called police and then was tased but that leaves out a hell of alot of important information. Of course that suits you because you have already made a decision on this and who needs those pesky details anyway? Dodge Ball sure doesn’t and I doubt you do either.

My speculation isn’t making a judgement call one way or the other. It is trying to explain to you folks with the pitchforks that this incident isn’t quite so clear cut as you wish it was.

Most use of force incidents (or any police incident) aren’t near as simple as folks like Carlos of Dodge Ball would like you to think. I know it is hard to look at these things from different angles but you really should try if you are going to continue to claim you have some small bit of objectivity.

“You want to rush to judgement and blame the police no matter what?” You made that up, too. Give me solid evidence that the cops on the scene were tasering someone threatening them, and I’ll back the cops. You can’t, because there’s no evidence that the cops were being threatened. Your “no matter what” argument falls. As it should, since it assumes an attitude that doesn’t exist.

Your descrition of the incident was more biased than mine, and shorter on facts and longer on speculation. The woman called 911. Fact. The cop pepper sprayed her. Fact. The other cop tasered her to get her to obey orders (tortured her). Fact. She was taken into custody. Fact. The cop on the scene could not charge her with a real crime (“obstruction” doesn’t count, she was not required to answer his questions about the “suspect” he had let go). Fact.

You invented the speculation that she was fighting: “she may have been kicking and thrashing”. Unsupported speculation. “The only reason the officers left is because the sheriff is using personal feelings to make this into a bullshit racial issue”. Unsupported speculation. “The actual call was about a person trespassing but refusing to leave and not some window peeping prowler”. Ignores a disputed assertion. She said it was a prowler, the cop said it was a tresspasser. If the trespasser was there, why did the cop go after her? If the trespasser was not there, why did he go after her? Neither makes sense, if the cop’s story were assumed to be true. Either way, the cop was wrong.

So, I have demonstrated that you are lying when you said “I haven’t invented anything”. You have, repeatedly.

“All I have done is try to look at things from the perspective of the officer on scene”, true, but you overlook the fact that doing such carries an inherent bias. The “perspective of the officer on scene” carries the bias that the cop is doing the right thing, not throwing his weight around and trying to prove he’s got the biggest dick on the block. When the cop on the scene is /not/ doing the right thing, your premise breaks down, because your assumptions are /wrong/. You begin to assume motives and attitudes that don’t exist. In short, you assume that the cop is right and the victim of the cop is wrong. That is also “making things up”.

Face it, the cop didn’t have a legal leg to stand on in arresting her, he just jugged her for “contempt of cop”. I checked over at policeone.com, and your fellow “heroes” are busy consoling the poor, innocnet guy who lost his job over a bad arrest of an innocent victim. I’m sure they make you proud, the way they ignore facts and allow their biases to pass judgement: “Cop good, civilian bad”.

No, Johnny, when it comes to objectivity, I’m far, far more objective than you. It just seems to piss you off when an objective opinion damns the thugs that you are so desperate to “prove” “innocent”.

“You keep misquoting me. I haven’t made anything up about the ‘victim’.”

Hmm.

“So the woman starts acting squirrelly and refused to cooperate.”

“Maybe she thought that since she was so tight with this sheriff, she could use the police however she wanted.”

“She was more than capable of doing what he said. She just wanted to lay there and play drama queen.”

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Yeah, sure you haven’t Johnny.
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You keep misquoting me. I haven’t made anything up about the “victim”. I am just saying that we have conflicting accounts of the information the police officer had about the nature of the call. I am also pointing out that our view of the tasing was blocked by the car and we don’t know what was going on over there. All we have is some audio that hardly provides the full picture.

You want to rush to judgement and blame the police no matter what? Go ahead. I can tell nothing is going to cause you to be objective about this. You keep saying “clearly” this and “clearly” that but the only thing clear is that you are determined to blame the police and don’t care to learn the whole story.

Your “short story” is an interesting take on things. Too bad it is complete speculation and biased opinions. I haven’t invented anything. All I have done is try to look at things from the perspective of the officer on scene and the totality of the circumstances instead of your habit of trying to oversimplify things and making misleading statements and inaccurate quotes.