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	<title>Comments on: Oklahoma officers Taser 86-year-old bedridden woman who scared them</title>
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		<title>By: Ken in Dublin</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/06/25/oklahoma-officers-taser-86-year-old-bedridden-woman-who-scared-them/#comment-35161</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken in Dublin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 19:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2sid // Jun 25, 2010 at 4:43 PM 

&quot;The police report paints a little different picture and appears to be substantiated by statements from EMS and hospital staff.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/33557136/El-Reno-Police-Department-Report-on-Lona-Varner &quot;

- Comment #16

I just read it, and it reveals little more than the facts that we already know, and you should be ashamed of yourself 2sid for trying to justify the illegal actions of these violent criminals masquerading as law enforcement agents. 

Towards the end of his statement the terrified cop states;

&quot;Varner told me she was going to snap my neck like a twig just like she did during WW2&quot;

- He must have nearly shit himself wirth fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2sid // Jun 25, 2010 at 4:43 PM </p>
<p>&#8220;The police report paints a little different picture and appears to be substantiated by statements from EMS and hospital staff.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/33557136/El-Reno-Police-Department-Report-on-Lona-Varner" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/33557136/El-Reno-Police-Department-Report-on-Lona-Varner</a> &#8221;</p>
<p>- Comment #16</p>
<p>I just read it, and it reveals little more than the facts that we already know, and you should be ashamed of yourself 2sid for trying to justify the illegal actions of these violent criminals masquerading as law enforcement agents. </p>
<p>Towards the end of his statement the terrified cop states;</p>
<p>&#8220;Varner told me she was going to snap my neck like a twig just like she did during WW2&#8243;</p>
<p>- He must have nearly shit himself wirth fear.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/06/25/oklahoma-officers-taser-86-year-old-bedridden-woman-who-scared-them/#comment-31286</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 22:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad she didn&#039;t have some pepper spray.</description>
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		<title>By: Rail Car Fan</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/06/25/oklahoma-officers-taser-86-year-old-bedridden-woman-who-scared-them/#comment-31257</link>
		<dc:creator>Rail Car Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pinandpuller..

Read the posted link.. and wouldn&#039;t be surprised one bit if &quot;Johnny Law&quot; backed the actions of those city Cops one bit.

Yep.. wouldn&#039;t surprise me at all!

Rail Car Fan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pinandpuller..</p>
<p>Read the posted link.. and wouldn&#8217;t be surprised one bit if &#8220;Johnny Law&#8221; backed the actions of those city Cops one bit.</p>
<p>Yep.. wouldn&#8217;t surprise me at all!</p>
<p>Rail Car Fan</p>
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		<title>By: Rail Car Fan</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/06/25/oklahoma-officers-taser-86-year-old-bedridden-woman-who-scared-them/#comment-31255</link>
		<dc:creator>Rail Car Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Os Car said..

&quot;This old lady is alive because the police stopped her from stabbing herself.&quot;

No &quot;Os Car&quot;.. you&#039;re only assuming that.  We really don&#039;t know what the final situation would have been if the &quot;PO lice&quot; had backed off and hadn&#039;t escalated the situation.

But once again, YOU (like a lot of &quot;PO lice&quot; who jump to a erroneous course of action before thinking about the safer alternatives), just go on and on as to this was the ONLY course of action to take.

Rail Car Fan

Rail Car Fan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Os Car said..</p>
<p>&#8220;This old lady is alive because the police stopped her from stabbing herself.&#8221;</p>
<p>No &#8220;Os Car&#8221;.. you&#8217;re only assuming that.  We really don&#8217;t know what the final situation would have been if the &#8220;PO lice&#8221; had backed off and hadn&#8217;t escalated the situation.</p>
<p>But once again, YOU (like a lot of &#8220;PO lice&#8221; who jump to a erroneous course of action before thinking about the safer alternatives), just go on and on as to this was the ONLY course of action to take.</p>
<p>Rail Car Fan</p>
<p>Rail Car Fan</p>
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		<title>By: Rail Car Fan</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/06/25/oklahoma-officers-taser-86-year-old-bedridden-woman-who-scared-them/#comment-31248</link>
		<dc:creator>Rail Car Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnny Law said..

&quot;And Fitch and I are protecting you now.&quot;

That sentence in and by itself just shows us how much &quot;Johnny Law&quot; really knows.. and the attitude he has as to being the God given savior of man kind.

I&#039;m not going to list all the court decisions here (to and including the US Supreme Court one), but in each and every case it was decided by the various courts that..

&quot;Police agencies are NOT responsible for the SAFETY and PROTECTION of the individual citizen.. but in fact, are only responsible for upholding the law of the General populace!&quot;

You really do think highly of yourself.. don&#039;t you &quot;Johnny Law&quot;!?

Rail Car Fan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny Law said..</p>
<p>&#8220;And Fitch and I are protecting you now.&#8221;</p>
<p>That sentence in and by itself just shows us how much &#8220;Johnny Law&#8221; really knows.. and the attitude he has as to being the God given savior of man kind.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to list all the court decisions here (to and including the US Supreme Court one), but in each and every case it was decided by the various courts that..</p>
<p>&#8220;Police agencies are NOT responsible for the SAFETY and PROTECTION of the individual citizen.. but in fact, are only responsible for upholding the law of the General populace!&#8221;</p>
<p>You really do think highly of yourself.. don&#8217;t you &#8220;Johnny Law&#8221;!?</p>
<p>Rail Car Fan</p>
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		<title>By: Rail Car Fan</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/06/25/oklahoma-officers-taser-86-year-old-bedridden-woman-who-scared-them/#comment-31241</link>
		<dc:creator>Rail Car Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger..

The problem with &quot;Johnny Law&quot;, is he uses the old saying of..

&quot;When you have NO facts to back up your argument, start insulting and calling your opponent names instead!&quot;

I guess it&#039;s suppose to work every time for &quot;Johnny&quot;.. NOT!

Rail Car Fan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger..</p>
<p>The problem with &#8220;Johnny Law&#8221;, is he uses the old saying of..</p>
<p>&#8220;When you have NO facts to back up your argument, start insulting and calling your opponent names instead!&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s suppose to work every time for &#8220;Johnny&#8221;.. NOT!</p>
<p>Rail Car Fan</p>
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		<title>By: Rail Car Fan</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/06/25/oklahoma-officers-taser-86-year-old-bedridden-woman-who-scared-them/#comment-31240</link>
		<dc:creator>Rail Car Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger said in part..

&quot;..medical problems due to wounds from Vietnam  ( two purples)..&quot;

From one Vn vet to another..

&quot;Welcome Home Brother.. Welcome Home!&quot;

Rail Car Fan

37th 1st (Vietnam Vet .. and PROUD of it!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger said in part..</p>
<p>&#8220;..medical problems due to wounds from Vietnam  ( two purples)..&#8221;</p>
<p>From one Vn vet to another..</p>
<p>&#8220;Welcome Home Brother.. Welcome Home!&#8221;</p>
<p>Rail Car Fan</p>
<p>37th 1st (Vietnam Vet .. and PROUD of it!)</p>
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		<title>By: Rail Car Fan</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/06/25/oklahoma-officers-taser-86-year-old-bedridden-woman-who-scared-them/#comment-31239</link>
		<dc:creator>Rail Car Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnny Law said..

&quot;I doubt this number. Just because a taser was used at some point does not make it the cause of death.&quot;

I am now going to prove you 100% wrong.. and if you use ANY type of common sense in trying to understand my explanation you&#039;ll agree too.

Quite often when someone dies after having a Taser used on them the Coroner&#039;s Office often gives the reason for the death as being: a bad heart, drugs in the system, alcohol being used, etc., etc. and not the use of the Taser.

To disprove this erroneous theory, all one has to do is ask the following: &quot;If the Taser had NOT been used, would the person still have been ALIVE  10, 20, 30 seconds later?  A minute, 5 minutes, or 10 minutes later?

Of course we all know what the answer is.  YES!.. they still would have been alive at that point in time if the Taser had NOT been used.

Of course &quot;Johnny Law&quot; is going to argue just the opposite by saying something to the effect of: &quot;well the drunk could have stumbled off 10 seconds later and tripped, falling down and hitting his head.&quot;

So I will say it again.  In EVERY single instance where a person died after having been Tasered, it was the act of being Tasered that caused the death!.. no matter what the other underlying circumstances were.

Rail Car Fan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny Law said..</p>
<p>&#8220;I doubt this number. Just because a taser was used at some point does not make it the cause of death.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am now going to prove you 100% wrong.. and if you use ANY type of common sense in trying to understand my explanation you&#8217;ll agree too.</p>
<p>Quite often when someone dies after having a Taser used on them the Coroner&#8217;s Office often gives the reason for the death as being: a bad heart, drugs in the system, alcohol being used, etc., etc. and not the use of the Taser.</p>
<p>To disprove this erroneous theory, all one has to do is ask the following: &#8220;If the Taser had NOT been used, would the person still have been ALIVE  10, 20, 30 seconds later?  A minute, 5 minutes, or 10 minutes later?</p>
<p>Of course we all know what the answer is.  YES!.. they still would have been alive at that point in time if the Taser had NOT been used.</p>
<p>Of course &#8220;Johnny Law&#8221; is going to argue just the opposite by saying something to the effect of: &#8220;well the drunk could have stumbled off 10 seconds later and tripped, falling down and hitting his head.&#8221;</p>
<p>So I will say it again.  In EVERY single instance where a person died after having been Tasered, it was the act of being Tasered that caused the death!.. no matter what the other underlying circumstances were.</p>
<p>Rail Car Fan</p>
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		<title>By: Rail Car Fan</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/06/25/oklahoma-officers-taser-86-year-old-bedridden-woman-who-scared-them/#comment-31232</link>
		<dc:creator>Rail Car Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the link on &quot;Kol. Klink&#039;s&quot; post and immediately after finishing it I envisioned &quot;Johnny Law&quot; was the &quot;Rambo&quot; Cop written about in each and every one of the incidents.

I wonder why? (wink)

Rail Car Fan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the link on &#8220;Kol. Klink&#8217;s&#8221; post and immediately after finishing it I envisioned &#8220;Johnny Law&#8221; was the &#8220;Rambo&#8221; Cop written about in each and every one of the incidents.</p>
<p>I wonder why? (wink)</p>
<p>Rail Car Fan</p>
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