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	<title>Comments on: Security firm refuses to release report of excessive force incident caught on video</title>
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		<title>By: Roger Estillana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Estillana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 12:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to correct my information yes it is obvious that san diego trolley must explore a way to do trolley bussiness because it is getting out of hand, the securities must be removed,because it is not safe for the communities,in Washington DC for example trolleys do not have a securities but rather a sophisticated smart entry system because this all about rides nothing more,because of greed trolley systems were able to evade crimes they have commited since back in the 80s im not sure if they have connections with the court systems, i think it is obvious,because courts system arent doing anything about it, and i think that this is all about money, embedded with violence and now a possible revolution that could last for hundreds of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to correct my information yes it is obvious that san diego trolley must explore a way to do trolley bussiness because it is getting out of hand, the securities must be removed,because it is not safe for the communities,in Washington DC for example trolleys do not have a securities but rather a sophisticated smart entry system because this all about rides nothing more,because of greed trolley systems were able to evade crimes they have commited since back in the 80s im not sure if they have connections with the court systems, i think it is obvious,because courts system arent doing anything about it, and i think that this is all about money, embedded with violence and now a possible revolution that could last for hundreds of years.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Estillana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Estillana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 03:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi i have  been have the same horrible experience the same way that video was it was terrifying i was only trying to get to work and they assaulted me and they were saying that because i was smoking,so i did put the cigarretes out then they assaulted me like im some kind of criminal first of all smoking has always been legal,and on the top of it they dont call a police first they caused a damage ,at this point i think that security cops wanna be, should removed from the bussines because i dont think they are in safe mental condition, and dont think they can tell the difference between right from wrong</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi i have  been have the same horrible experience the same way that video was it was terrifying i was only trying to get to work and they assaulted me and they were saying that because i was smoking,so i did put the cigarretes out then they assaulted me like im some kind of criminal first of all smoking has always been legal,and on the top of it they dont call a police first they caused a damage ,at this point i think that security cops wanna be, should removed from the bussines because i dont think they are in safe mental condition, and dont think they can tell the difference between right from wrong</p>
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		<title>By: Nate K.</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/02/26/california-security-firm-refuses-to-release-report-of-excessive-force-incident-caught-on-video/#comment-20108</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow,  lots to be troubled by in that video.  Two (very disparate) thoughts:

1.  Those were private security guards, not police officers. In California, security guards have exactly the same arrest powers as a private citizen.  If the security guards weren&#039;t prosecuted for that violent arrest, that implies that an ordinary citizen could have lawfully -- and with impunity -- wrestled the smoker to the ground, kneeled on his head, cuffed him, than thrown him in the back of an SUV;  somehow, I doubt that if I&#039;d tried that in my non-uniformed, non-corporate-backed, not-tacitly-endorsed-by-the-city capacity, I&#039;d be looking at serious criminal charges (assault, kidnapping) on top of a well-deserved civil lawsuit.

2.  Our one-note argument on this site, valid as it may be, is that &quot;photography is not a crime.&quot;  Given such abominations as the PATRIOT Act, it&#039;s just a matter of time before some political consultant realizes that passing a &quot;Prevention of Terrorist Photography Act&quot; would make a fantastic election-year soundbite.  The overwhelming majority of the voting public would unthinkingly accept the idea, and you&#039;d better believe that every police union in the country would lend its highly visible blue-uniformed support. 

The way things are going, 10 years from now I&#039;d probably be afraid to even write this comment, as the legal barriers to casual warrantless police browsing of Internet logs will probably have completely fallen by then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow,  lots to be troubled by in that video.  Two (very disparate) thoughts:</p>
<p>1.  Those were private security guards, not police officers. In California, security guards have exactly the same arrest powers as a private citizen.  If the security guards weren&#8217;t prosecuted for that violent arrest, that implies that an ordinary citizen could have lawfully &#8212; and with impunity &#8212; wrestled the smoker to the ground, kneeled on his head, cuffed him, than thrown him in the back of an SUV;  somehow, I doubt that if I&#8217;d tried that in my non-uniformed, non-corporate-backed, not-tacitly-endorsed-by-the-city capacity, I&#8217;d be looking at serious criminal charges (assault, kidnapping) on top of a well-deserved civil lawsuit.</p>
<p>2.  Our one-note argument on this site, valid as it may be, is that &#8220;photography is not a crime.&#8221;  Given such abominations as the PATRIOT Act, it&#8217;s just a matter of time before some political consultant realizes that passing a &#8220;Prevention of Terrorist Photography Act&#8221; would make a fantastic election-year soundbite.  The overwhelming majority of the voting public would unthinkingly accept the idea, and you&#8217;d better believe that every police union in the country would lend its highly visible blue-uniformed support. </p>
<p>The way things are going, 10 years from now I&#8217;d probably be afraid to even write this comment, as the legal barriers to casual warrantless police browsing of Internet logs will probably have completely fallen by then.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/02/26/california-security-firm-refuses-to-release-report-of-excessive-force-incident-caught-on-video/#comment-20105</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I REALLY want to know what the actual reason for the incident report not being released is. 

Hopefully, this video and the apparent ongoing litigation will help to shed some light on what San Diego trolley guards are doing and how they are treating commuters day to day.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I REALLY want to know what the actual reason for the incident report not being released is. </p>
<p>Hopefully, this video and the apparent ongoing litigation will help to shed some light on what San Diego trolley guards are doing and how they are treating commuters day to day.<br />
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