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	<title>Comments on: Man in UK accused of pedophilia for photographing son in mall</title>
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		<title>By: PHIL SINCLAIR-ALLAN</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/02/24/man-in-uk-accused-of-pedophilia-for-photographing-son-in-mall/#comment-26935</link>
		<dc:creator>PHIL SINCLAIR-ALLAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 00:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also visited &quot;The Bridges&quot;

I was accused of &quot;touching a child&#039;s head&quot; whilst passing him/her. I was then stopped in my
car in &#039;The Bridges&#039; roof top car park by 3 &quot;Security Guards&quot; whilst one then grabbed me by the neck, began heaving me about then threw me into the car whilst continuing to mal-handle/ punch me causing various dental injuries before calling the police and accusing me of also being a &quot;PAEDOPHILE&quot;.
They actually had me &quot;ARRESTED&quot; for &quot;PUBLIC DISORDER&quot;.

I do NOT invent ANY of this.

I have, via Sunderland County Court, obtained all pertinent CCTV/Video recordings concerning this MOST SERIOUS MIS-TREATMENT, as a perfectly well intended. perfectly innocent customer. There were NO GROUNDS for ANY charges against me and NO further action was taken against me.

I remain EXTREMELY TRAUMATIZED since this experience last August. I actually returned  2 days laterto try and confirm the existence of nearby CCTV, however was approached AGAIN by further &quot;Security Guards&quot; who AGAIN called the police, alleging AGAIN that I was a &quot;paedophile&quot;.  They then attended,
stopped me in my car, by the main road and demanded I DELETE ALL MY MOBILE TELEPHONE PICTURES (whilst surrounded by 4 police officers).

Incredible as this seems I DO NOT exaggerate a single word and am FULLY INTENT on pursuing
fitting, indeed substantial ACTION as a consequence.


PHIL

&quot;THE BRIDGES&quot; VISITOR
(NO MORE!!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also visited &#8220;The Bridges&#8221;</p>
<p>I was accused of &#8220;touching a child&#8217;s head&#8221; whilst passing him/her. I was then stopped in my<br />
car in &#8216;The Bridges&#8217; roof top car park by 3 &#8220;Security Guards&#8221; whilst one then grabbed me by the neck, began heaving me about then threw me into the car whilst continuing to mal-handle/ punch me causing various dental injuries before calling the police and accusing me of also being a &#8220;PAEDOPHILE&#8221;.<br />
They actually had me &#8220;ARRESTED&#8221; for &#8220;PUBLIC DISORDER&#8221;.</p>
<p>I do NOT invent ANY of this.</p>
<p>I have, via Sunderland County Court, obtained all pertinent CCTV/Video recordings concerning this MOST SERIOUS MIS-TREATMENT, as a perfectly well intended. perfectly innocent customer. There were NO GROUNDS for ANY charges against me and NO further action was taken against me.</p>
<p>I remain EXTREMELY TRAUMATIZED since this experience last August. I actually returned  2 days laterto try and confirm the existence of nearby CCTV, however was approached AGAIN by further &#8220;Security Guards&#8221; who AGAIN called the police, alleging AGAIN that I was a &#8220;paedophile&#8221;.  They then attended,<br />
stopped me in my car, by the main road and demanded I DELETE ALL MY MOBILE TELEPHONE PICTURES (whilst surrounded by 4 police officers).</p>
<p>Incredible as this seems I DO NOT exaggerate a single word and am FULLY INTENT on pursuing<br />
fitting, indeed substantial ACTION as a consequence.</p>
<p>PHIL</p>
<p>&#8220;THE BRIDGES&#8221; VISITOR<br />
(NO MORE!!!)</p>
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		<title>By: TheMike</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/02/24/man-in-uk-accused-of-pedophilia-for-photographing-son-in-mall/#comment-21236</link>
		<dc:creator>TheMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I would have applauded the father if he would have punched Frank square in the nose.  Flame me if you want, but I don&#039;t see how you Brits put up with watching your once free country go to shit like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I would have applauded the father if he would have punched Frank square in the nose.  Flame me if you want, but I don&#8217;t see how you Brits put up with watching your once free country go to shit like that.</p>
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		<title>By: johnl</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/02/24/man-in-uk-accused-of-pedophilia-for-photographing-son-in-mall/#comment-20150</link>
		<dc:creator>johnl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guard can enforce store policies against photography but that&#039;s not what he was doing. So it was a privately owned space with no blanket rules against photography where local custom is to take photos. It&#039;s not a big mistake to call that a &quot;public&quot; space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guard can enforce store policies against photography but that&#8217;s not what he was doing. So it was a privately owned space with no blanket rules against photography where local custom is to take photos. It&#8217;s not a big mistake to call that a &#8220;public&#8221; space.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Poulos</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/02/24/man-in-uk-accused-of-pedophilia-for-photographing-son-in-mall/#comment-20138</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Poulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I don&#039;t understand is why malls don&#039;t clearly post a rule that says &quot;no photography&quot;. Some do - but many don&#039;t and then expect the public to know that the rule exists. We&#039;re not mind-readers. 

What I don&#039;t understand is how so many places now want to restrict photography at a time when cameras are included in virtually every gadget. Whether it is one of those flip video cams or cellphone cams, I think every single person walking the streets today has a camera with him/her. The horse left the barn long ago!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is why malls don&#8217;t clearly post a rule that says &#8220;no photography&#8221;. Some do &#8211; but many don&#8217;t and then expect the public to know that the rule exists. We&#8217;re not mind-readers. </p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is how so many places now want to restrict photography at a time when cameras are included in virtually every gadget. Whether it is one of those flip video cams or cellphone cams, I think every single person walking the streets today has a camera with him/her. The horse left the barn long ago!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Poulos</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/02/24/man-in-uk-accused-of-pedophilia-for-photographing-son-in-mall/#comment-20137</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Poulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even there we have to look at each individual state and each situation. Union Station, DC and the outdoor mall at Silver Springs, MD tried using the &quot;private property&quot; card to restrict photography and both were foist on their own petards. Turns out that their &quot;property&quot; was leased from either the federal or the local government and not really private at all..

 The Union Station dispute ended up in congressional hearings before the management company caved and agreed to allow photography.

I believe some states have enacted laws that say that if you open your property up to the public (i.e. a mall) then all activities that the public can do on a public sidewalk is allowed within that space as well.

What it boils down to is that it is no longer as simple as it seems.. Sometimes it feels like you need to bring a lawyer with you on photo shoots :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even there we have to look at each individual state and each situation. Union Station, DC and the outdoor mall at Silver Springs, MD tried using the &#8220;private property&#8221; card to restrict photography and both were foist on their own petards. Turns out that their &#8220;property&#8221; was leased from either the federal or the local government and not really private at all..</p>
<p> The Union Station dispute ended up in congressional hearings before the management company caved and agreed to allow photography.</p>
<p>I believe some states have enacted laws that say that if you open your property up to the public (i.e. a mall) then all activities that the public can do on a public sidewalk is allowed within that space as well.</p>
<p>What it boils down to is that it is no longer as simple as it seems.. Sometimes it feels like you need to bring a lawyer with you on photo shoots <img src='http://carlosmiller.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: genewitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>genewitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 12:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That may be the case in the UK, but that&#039;s not the case in most places in the USA.

There&#039;s probably some legal thing that makes it different but i know that there&#039;s private, public but private, and public. Just because the &quot;public&quot; can go someplace unrestricted doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s &quot;public&quot; by the definition of law.

I&#039;m not arguing with you, i&#039;m clarifying US law in this matter. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That may be the case in the UK, but that&#8217;s not the case in most places in the USA.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s probably some legal thing that makes it different but i know that there&#8217;s private, public but private, and public. Just because the &#8220;public&#8221; can go someplace unrestricted doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s &#8220;public&#8221; by the definition of law.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not arguing with you, i&#8217;m clarifying US law in this matter. <img src='http://carlosmiller.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim Poulos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Poulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 02:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets leave aside the issue of whether or not there is a right to take pictures in the mall. Lets concede the private property argument. The accusation made by the security guard is false, defamatory, and slanderous. On that basis alone the guard, the security company that employs him and the mall that contracted them should be SUED FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS! 

The behavior of the security guard is inexcusable regardless of any rule that might have been broken. And rules should be clearly posted. While ignorance of the law is not considered an excuse, mall rules are NOT LAWS. If malls want us to follow certain rules then they should clearly post them where everyone can see, and in multiple languages. Otherwise the guards should be properly train to POLITELY inform customers of the rules.

This guard has no excuse - if this happened to me believe me my attorney would be in touch with everyone involved and that guard would be walking the unemployment line!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets leave aside the issue of whether or not there is a right to take pictures in the mall. Lets concede the private property argument. The accusation made by the security guard is false, defamatory, and slanderous. On that basis alone the guard, the security company that employs him and the mall that contracted them should be SUED FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS! </p>
<p>The behavior of the security guard is inexcusable regardless of any rule that might have been broken. And rules should be clearly posted. While ignorance of the law is not considered an excuse, mall rules are NOT LAWS. If malls want us to follow certain rules then they should clearly post them where everyone can see, and in multiple languages. Otherwise the guards should be properly train to POLITELY inform customers of the rules.</p>
<p>This guard has no excuse &#8211; if this happened to me believe me my attorney would be in touch with everyone involved and that guard would be walking the unemployment line!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Geraghty-Shewan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Geraghty-Shewan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ed

You said &quot;However ridiculous, accusatory, and utterly stupid the guard’s request was, a mall is private property (and not “public” 

The Shopping Mall may be privately owned but it is still a public space because the public are allowed to enter without restriction. therefore I was within my rights to take a picture as there is no law against taking pictures in a public space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ed</p>
<p>You said &#8220;However ridiculous, accusatory, and utterly stupid the guard’s request was, a mall is private property (and not “public” </p>
<p>The Shopping Mall may be privately owned but it is still a public space because the public are allowed to enter without restriction. therefore I was within my rights to take a picture as there is no law against taking pictures in a public space.</p>
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		<title>By: Michaelk42</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michaelk42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gentlemen, gentlemen&#8230; fear not, Uncle Warren has a link to what you need: <a href="http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=8684" rel="nofollow">http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=8684</a></p>
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