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	<title>Comments on: Ca. judge files restraining order against family who photographed neighbors</title>
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		<title>By: carl</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/02/09/california-judge-files-restraining-order-against-family-who-photographed-neighbors-during-dispute/#comment-20757</link>
		<dc:creator>carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know just how this people feel, as i had to file a restraining order on a crazy neighbor. The San Bernardino County Sheriffs office does not want to do there job we where shoot at &quot; are house&quot; while we where in it,are kids chased by dogs,are garage broken in to,said we tried to poison her dogs, so we file a restraining order it get granted after 12 call to sheriff dept 5 911 calls and we get the same thing o shes 5150 and there not much we can do, after the order thing gOt worse and we give in and moved after a year of B.S. 1 DAY AFTER OUR ESCROW CLOSES SHE BURNS DOWN THE HOUSE and the fire dept says o it cant be her she the one that called!!!!!!!!!  we it all comes down to she finely got caught and went to prison for 5 years. it only took the very Lazy Sheriff dept 4 more month to do it, well let see all most 2 year after we started all this WOW the cops are soooooo Smart???????????????     Good luck on finding a honest judge in San Bernardino county. Personally  I thought Cortez was OK when i was in front of him but im sure if he new who they where they got a deal. PLEASE SUE HIM in Federal Court that where im going with my case I my self all ready did a year in prison for something i did not do. But California does not care as long as there making money from us in fines,court cost, ITS JUST A THREE RING CIRCUS AND YOU ARE THE CLOWN AND THE JUDGE IS THE RING MASTER THE D.A. IS ANIMAL TRAINER, AND WE CANT FORGET THE ATTORNEYS WHO SUCK US DRY BECAUSE THE CIRCUS IS IN TOWN AND WE HAVE TO GO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know just how this people feel, as i had to file a restraining order on a crazy neighbor. The San Bernardino County Sheriffs office does not want to do there job we where shoot at &#8221; are house&#8221; while we where in it,are kids chased by dogs,are garage broken in to,said we tried to poison her dogs, so we file a restraining order it get granted after 12 call to sheriff dept 5 911 calls and we get the same thing o shes 5150 and there not much we can do, after the order thing gOt worse and we give in and moved after a year of B.S. 1 DAY AFTER OUR ESCROW CLOSES SHE BURNS DOWN THE HOUSE and the fire dept says o it cant be her she the one that called!!!!!!!!!  we it all comes down to she finely got caught and went to prison for 5 years. it only took the very Lazy Sheriff dept 4 more month to do it, well let see all most 2 year after we started all this WOW the cops are soooooo Smart???????????????     Good luck on finding a honest judge in San Bernardino county. Personally  I thought Cortez was OK when i was in front of him but im sure if he new who they where they got a deal. PLEASE SUE HIM in Federal Court that where im going with my case I my self all ready did a year in prison for something i did not do. But California does not care as long as there making money from us in fines,court cost, ITS JUST A THREE RING CIRCUS AND YOU ARE THE CLOWN AND THE JUDGE IS THE RING MASTER THE D.A. IS ANIMAL TRAINER, AND WE CANT FORGET THE ATTORNEYS WHO SUCK US DRY BECAUSE THE CIRCUS IS IN TOWN AND WE HAVE TO GO.</p>
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		<title>By: Pinandpuller</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/02/09/california-judge-files-restraining-order-against-family-who-photographed-neighbors-during-dispute/#comment-19626</link>
		<dc:creator>Pinandpuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to buy peacocks and Guinea Fowl.</description>
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		<title>By: Jon Quimbly</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/02/09/california-judge-files-restraining-order-against-family-who-photographed-neighbors-during-dispute/#comment-19599</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Quimbly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DuaneKerzic - &quot;Remember to those that are psychotic their psychotic episodes are real, but to the rest of the wrold they aren’t.&quot;

Why do people repeat lies?  In the hopes that repetition will make them believable.  (See Bush &amp; Co, 2002-onward.)

Making the claim that Mindy Ross is a psychotic (for her legal pursuit of obvious quality-of-life-issues), defending her noisy dirt-biking neighbors, AND siding with the judge&#039;s injunction against the Ross&#039;s legal documentation activities because you think they might get violent with their neighbors??

Plainly you believe you&#039;ve got a dog in the Ross&#039;s fight, without being a party to it.  With LEOs and other trolls on this site, their motivations are usually clear: defend the LEO.

It&#039;s a mystery why you&#039;ve gone on the attack, because there is nothing about the Rosses&#039; behavior that would lead me to think &quot;crazy.&quot;

I&#039;ll go one further and say that if I had their problems, I&#039;d have done much the same as they, and probably taken it up a notch with more notifications to the County (for building code, native life and noise violations), seeking an injunction against the neighbors, and retaining a lawyer worth her/his salt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DuaneKerzic &#8211; &#8220;Remember to those that are psychotic their psychotic episodes are real, but to the rest of the wrold they aren’t.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why do people repeat lies?  In the hopes that repetition will make them believable.  (See Bush &amp; Co, 2002-onward.)</p>
<p>Making the claim that Mindy Ross is a psychotic (for her legal pursuit of obvious quality-of-life-issues), defending her noisy dirt-biking neighbors, AND siding with the judge&#8217;s injunction against the Ross&#8217;s legal documentation activities because you think they might get violent with their neighbors??</p>
<p>Plainly you believe you&#8217;ve got a dog in the Ross&#8217;s fight, without being a party to it.  With LEOs and other trolls on this site, their motivations are usually clear: defend the LEO.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a mystery why you&#8217;ve gone on the attack, because there is nothing about the Rosses&#8217; behavior that would lead me to think &#8220;crazy.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll go one further and say that if I had their problems, I&#8217;d have done much the same as they, and probably taken it up a notch with more notifications to the County (for building code, native life and noise violations), seeking an injunction against the neighbors, and retaining a lawyer worth her/his salt.</p>
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		<title>By: akagoldfish</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/02/09/california-judge-files-restraining-order-against-family-who-photographed-neighbors-during-dispute/#comment-19588</link>
		<dc:creator>akagoldfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t take a stance as to the absurd and unconstitutional restraining order? Really?

Just how yellow is your liver, anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t take a stance as to the absurd and unconstitutional restraining order? Really?</p>
<p>Just how yellow is your liver, anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Cohen V. CaliforniaU</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/02/09/california-judge-files-restraining-order-against-family-who-photographed-neighbors-during-dispute/#comment-19580</link>
		<dc:creator>Cohen V. CaliforniaU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The properties are 83 feet wide by about 330 feet.

The county code is clear about prohibiting OHV disturbing the  peace even as they ride on private property of the owner — it is not allowed.  It is also crystal clear that persons so affected are encouraged to create evidence in the form of photographs, etc.

What is not clear is why quotations are to be placed around a person&#039;s proper name, nor why a BLOG reader thinks it can do psychological evaluation and make assertions simply from from a news story.

§ 28.0406     Disturbing the Peace and Quiet Prohibited.

     Notwithstanding any other provision in this Chapter, no person shall operate any motor vehicle (including any off-highway motor vehicle), or the motor thereof, nor shall any person organize, conduct, or participate in staging (as defined herein), in a manner that disturbs the peace or quiet of any neighborhood or person by noise, dust, smoke, or fumes caused by such motor vehicle or staging activity.  The Code Enforcement Division of Land Use Services Department shall establish procedures for the investigation and enforcement of this Section, which shall be substantially similar to those contained in § 32.0119 of the County Code, except that if the offending activity occurs in the presence of a code enforcement officer or peace officer, the officer shall have the authority to issue a citation to the offending party pursuant to applicable provisions of this Code.

§ 32.0119  Animals Which Habitually Make Noise.

     If there is more than one neighboring inhabitant, as defined above, evidence of a public nuisance may, upon application of a single complaining neighboring inhabitant, be established by that person by seeking a waiver from the Chief Officer of the two-complainant requirement.  To obtain such a waiver, a single complainant shall provide to the Animal Control Officer additional credible evidence of a violation, which may include, but is not limited to, tape recordings, videotapes, sound monitoring logs, photographs, maps, or declarations of other persons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The properties are 83 feet wide by about 330 feet.</p>
<p>The county code is clear about prohibiting OHV disturbing the  peace even as they ride on private property of the owner — it is not allowed.  It is also crystal clear that persons so affected are encouraged to create evidence in the form of photographs, etc.</p>
<p>What is not clear is why quotations are to be placed around a person&#8217;s proper name, nor why a BLOG reader thinks it can do psychological evaluation and make assertions simply from from a news story.</p>
<p>§ 28.0406     Disturbing the Peace and Quiet Prohibited.</p>
<p>     Notwithstanding any other provision in this Chapter, no person shall operate any motor vehicle (including any off-highway motor vehicle), or the motor thereof, nor shall any person organize, conduct, or participate in staging (as defined herein), in a manner that disturbs the peace or quiet of any neighborhood or person by noise, dust, smoke, or fumes caused by such motor vehicle or staging activity.  The Code Enforcement Division of Land Use Services Department shall establish procedures for the investigation and enforcement of this Section, which shall be substantially similar to those contained in § 32.0119 of the County Code, except that if the offending activity occurs in the presence of a code enforcement officer or peace officer, the officer shall have the authority to issue a citation to the offending party pursuant to applicable provisions of this Code.</p>
<p>§ 32.0119  Animals Which Habitually Make Noise.</p>
<p>     If there is more than one neighboring inhabitant, as defined above, evidence of a public nuisance may, upon application of a single complaining neighboring inhabitant, be established by that person by seeking a waiver from the Chief Officer of the two-complainant requirement.  To obtain such a waiver, a single complainant shall provide to the Animal Control Officer additional credible evidence of a violation, which may include, but is not limited to, tape recordings, videotapes, sound monitoring logs, photographs, maps, or declarations of other persons.</p>
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		<title>By: Cohen V. CaliforniaU</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/02/09/california-judge-files-restraining-order-against-family-who-photographed-neighbors-during-dispute/#comment-19578</link>
		<dc:creator>Cohen V. CaliforniaU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.law2.byu.edu/news/7.16.2009HatchProgram2.pdf

Cortez participated in the far right wing zealot Senator Orrin G. Hatch Distinguished Trial Lawyer Lecture Series.

The frontispiece of the program shows a judge&#039;s gavel resting on a bible.  Cortez is a graduate of BYU — the Mormons.  Does it matter?  Yes it matters.</description>
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<p>Cortez participated in the far right wing zealot Senator Orrin G. Hatch Distinguished Trial Lawyer Lecture Series.</p>
<p>The frontispiece of the program shows a judge&#8217;s gavel resting on a bible.  Cortez is a graduate of BYU — the Mormons.  Does it matter?  Yes it matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Cohen V. CaliforniaU</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/02/09/california-judge-files-restraining-order-against-family-who-photographed-neighbors-during-dispute/#comment-19576</link>
		<dc:creator>Cohen V. CaliforniaU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There could easily be problems.

The area is not Los Angeles were Judges are taken to appeal when they step over the line.  The area is poor so Judges are not held to account for their actions.  They really can do whatever they want.  Plus, contempt of court determination do not automatically obtain right to appeal unlike other actions.  A writ of mandamus would be required and those are rarely considered much less granted.  Jack and Mindy and their friends (especially city folk) must thus walk on egg shells.  

If anyone else photographs the motocross activity, Mindy Ross could be blamed for &quot;causing&quot; the photography and the Plaintiffs could easily haul her into court on a contempt of court OSC.   So, beware all you provocateurs, rash actions could hurt the situation rather than help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There could easily be problems.</p>
<p>The area is not Los Angeles were Judges are taken to appeal when they step over the line.  The area is poor so Judges are not held to account for their actions.  They really can do whatever they want.  Plus, contempt of court determination do not automatically obtain right to appeal unlike other actions.  A writ of mandamus would be required and those are rarely considered much less granted.  Jack and Mindy and their friends (especially city folk) must thus walk on egg shells.  </p>
<p>If anyone else photographs the motocross activity, Mindy Ross could be blamed for &#8220;causing&#8221; the photography and the Plaintiffs could easily haul her into court on a contempt of court OSC.   So, beware all you provocateurs, rash actions could hurt the situation rather than help.</p>
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		<title>By: bj</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/02/09/california-judge-files-restraining-order-against-family-who-photographed-neighbors-during-dispute/#comment-19575</link>
		<dc:creator>bj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Little on the Judge. http://tinyurl.com/y9dq4pb

Here is the other write up. http://desertvalleystar.com/article.php?a=458</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Little on the Judge. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/y9dq4pb" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/y9dq4pb</a></p>
<p>Here is the other write up. <a href="http://desertvalleystar.com/article.php?a=458" rel="nofollow">http://desertvalleystar.com/article.php?a=458</a></p>
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		<title>By: discarted</title>
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		<dc:creator>discarted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jack-

you need some help taking pictures and  video? i would love to help you out. i don&#039;t have a restraining order against me so there shouldn&#039;t be a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jack-</p>
<p>you need some help taking pictures and  video? i would love to help you out. i don&#8217;t have a restraining order against me so there shouldn&#8217;t be a problem.</p>
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