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	<title>Comments on: Kurt Greenbaum is back as &#8220;expert&#8221; on handling offensive comments</title>
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		<title>By: Carlos Miller</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/01/18/kurt-greenbaum-is-back-as-expert-on-handling-offensive-comments/#comment-18715</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pod,

That&#039;s how I generally handle comments. And it has worked for more than two years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pod,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how I generally handle comments. And it has worked for more than two years.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Miller</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/01/18/kurt-greenbaum-is-back-as-expert-on-handling-offensive-comments/#comment-18714</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Genewitch,

I just put the phrase in quotes and attributed it to the other site for a little more clarification. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Genewitch,</p>
<p>I just put the phrase in quotes and attributed it to the other site for a little more clarification.</p>
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		<title>By: genewitch</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/01/18/kurt-greenbaum-is-back-as-expert-on-handling-offensive-comments/#comment-18713</link>
		<dc:creator>genewitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carlos:
&quot;Internet hate machine&quot; is used incorrectly, both on the linked website and your article.

it&#039;s a reference to a certain forum on a certain website where everyone is &quot;Anonymous.&quot; I think there was some television show that called them the internet hate machine and they think it&#039;s hilarious.

Anyhow the reason i bring this up, is i physically cringed when i read it on your article and on the linked one. It&#039;s hard to explain, it just seems ironic that the internet as a whole gets the phrase attributed to it as a whole when it was originally a poor journalistic turn of phrase regarding one relatively minor group.

You might notice i&#039;m not naming names or linking, here.. that&#039;s because rules one and two are &quot;we don&#039;t talk about the...&quot; well, you see why. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carlos:<br />
&#8220;Internet hate machine&#8221; is used incorrectly, both on the linked website and your article.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s a reference to a certain forum on a certain website where everyone is &#8220;Anonymous.&#8221; I think there was some television show that called them the internet hate machine and they think it&#8217;s hilarious.</p>
<p>Anyhow the reason i bring this up, is i physically cringed when i read it on your article and on the linked one. It&#8217;s hard to explain, it just seems ironic that the internet as a whole gets the phrase attributed to it as a whole when it was originally a poor journalistic turn of phrase regarding one relatively minor group.</p>
<p>You might notice i&#8217;m not naming names or linking, here.. that&#8217;s because rules one and two are &#8220;we don&#8217;t talk about the&#8230;&#8221; well, you see why. <img src='http://carlosmiller.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: pod</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/01/18/kurt-greenbaum-is-back-as-expert-on-handling-offensive-comments/#comment-18710</link>
		<dc:creator>pod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, if someone had done this to me, I would have confronted him in the flesh and dealt with it appropriately. No, I wouldn&#039;t have lit him up, since unfortunately, we&#039;re not allowed to settle things like gentlemen anymore. However, I would have made it a point to let this guy know his actions online can and do have real-world repercussions. 

Often, social media is poorly handled by the mainstream media. Look no further than our own Miami Herald. Their comments sections are a joke, moderated almost in a &quot;when I feel like it&quot; fashion. For example, for every &quot;deport these animals&quot; comment deleted, there&#039;s ten that remain. And don&#039;t get me started on Miami.com, which is a pitiful attempt to make an entertainment/nightlife site. 

Now, the way I tend to do things in my neck of the woods, is that I let everything go, within the bounds of the law. Like, you&#039;re more than welcome to post in a thread in my forum, and use all the racial slurs you want. I won&#039;t delete them. We let the community sort you out. 

It&#039;s worked so far. We maintain a high standard of intelligence in our posts, and it shows. I haven&#039;t had to ban anyone or delete a post (other than for technical reasons) since we started.

I think Kurt could learn a lesson or two in that respect. Don&#039;t be petty, arbitrary, or vicious in moderating. Either do it &quot;full time&quot;, or trust your readers to sort it out for you.
.-= pod´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.talknightlife.com/WMC_2009&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WMC 2009&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, if someone had done this to me, I would have confronted him in the flesh and dealt with it appropriately. No, I wouldn&#8217;t have lit him up, since unfortunately, we&#8217;re not allowed to settle things like gentlemen anymore. However, I would have made it a point to let this guy know his actions online can and do have real-world repercussions. </p>
<p>Often, social media is poorly handled by the mainstream media. Look no further than our own Miami Herald. Their comments sections are a joke, moderated almost in a &#8220;when I feel like it&#8221; fashion. For example, for every &#8220;deport these animals&#8221; comment deleted, there&#8217;s ten that remain. And don&#8217;t get me started on Miami.com, which is a pitiful attempt to make an entertainment/nightlife site. </p>
<p>Now, the way I tend to do things in my neck of the woods, is that I let everything go, within the bounds of the law. Like, you&#8217;re more than welcome to post in a thread in my forum, and use all the racial slurs you want. I won&#8217;t delete them. We let the community sort you out. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s worked so far. We maintain a high standard of intelligence in our posts, and it shows. I haven&#8217;t had to ban anyone or delete a post (other than for technical reasons) since we started.</p>
<p>I think Kurt could learn a lesson or two in that respect. Don&#8217;t be petty, arbitrary, or vicious in moderating. Either do it &#8220;full time&#8221;, or trust your readers to sort it out for you.<br />
<span class="cluv"> pod´s last blog ..<a href="http://wiki.talknightlife.com/WMC_2009" rel="nofollow">WMC 2009</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://carlosmiller.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Hazy</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/01/18/kurt-greenbaum-is-back-as-expert-on-handling-offensive-comments/#comment-18709</link>
		<dc:creator>Hazy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone in the St. Louis area should go there and call him out when he&#039;s speaking at the journalist forum.</description>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/01/18/kurt-greenbaum-is-back-as-expert-on-handling-offensive-comments/#comment-18700</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Domesticated felines unite. The public should just start emailing him appropriate food themed lolcats.

Edible kitties aside, this guy abused his position of power and destroyed someones life - at least in the short term. And why? Because he doesn&#039;t know how to roll his eyes at infantile frat boy jokes and can&#039;t be bothered to find the delete button on the blogs admin interface?? How ... infantile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Domesticated felines unite. The public should just start emailing him appropriate food themed lolcats.</p>
<p>Edible kitties aside, this guy abused his position of power and destroyed someones life &#8211; at least in the short term. And why? Because he doesn&#8217;t know how to roll his eyes at infantile frat boy jokes and can&#8217;t be bothered to find the delete button on the blogs admin interface?? How &#8230; infantile.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Selene</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/01/18/kurt-greenbaum-is-back-as-expert-on-handling-offensive-comments/#comment-18681</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Selene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny.  They once allowed comments on this article, just that they were moderated.  

Now, the comments are closed all together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny.  They once allowed comments on this article, just that they were moderated.  </p>
<p>Now, the comments are closed all together.</p>
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		<title>By: Michaelk42</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/01/18/kurt-greenbaum-is-back-as-expert-on-handling-offensive-comments/#comment-18673</link>
		<dc:creator>Michaelk42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He really does seem to believe that if he only waits long enough, and it ignores it long enough, it will all go away.

How anyone can be that clueless about the internet would be astounding, but this is an old-school newspaper guy we&#039;re talking about.
.-= Michaelk42´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Pdrn/~3/cxlZAgSsymI/again-with-cluelessness.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Again with the cluelessness&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He really does seem to believe that if he only waits long enough, and it ignores it long enough, it will all go away.</p>
<p>How anyone can be that clueless about the internet would be astounding, but this is an old-school newspaper guy we&#8217;re talking about.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Michaelk42´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Pdrn/~3/cxlZAgSsymI/again-with-cluelessness.html" rel="nofollow">Again with the cluelessness</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://carlosmiller.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Noble</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2010/01/18/kurt-greenbaum-is-back-as-expert-on-handling-offensive-comments/#comment-18660</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where possible, I try to post comments to his stuff with references to pussy (&quot;domesticated feline,&quot; etc.) He&#039;ll never approve them, but it only takes a second to post and it&#039;s fun to remind him what the public thinks of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where possible, I try to post comments to his stuff with references to pussy (&#8220;domesticated feline,&#8221; etc.) He&#8217;ll never approve them, but it only takes a second to post and it&#8217;s fun to remind him what the public thinks of him.</p>
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