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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/11/17/the-snitches-among-us/#comment-17340</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, they&#039;re saying &quot;donut bag&quot; instead of any homophobic slang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, they&#8217;re saying &#8220;donut bag&#8221; instead of any homophobic slang.</p>
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		<title>By: fair2fair</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/11/17/the-snitches-among-us/#comment-17250</link>
		<dc:creator>fair2fair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is important......If you say one and i say one who is wrong? Both? Or just me because you have the &#039;power&#039;? That sucks.......it also makes a pussy out of you!

Kurt. YOU at the PD have chuckled as you use (and print) the word “tea-baggers” to describe conservative activists voicing their opinions. You and all your sophomoric liberal chums at the PD know exactly what that word means yet you still print it. Why don’t you explain to some of your older readers (that maybe aren’t as hip as the majority of your dwindling readers) in graphic detail exactly what a tea-bagger is.

And many others along those lines.

I&#039;d just like to point out to Greenbaum that clitoral stimulation is still considered so novel and shocking that there are UN-member nations where it is officially illegal for a woman&#039;s sex partner to go downstairs. Anti-bilingualism is bad enough; we don&#039;t need anti-cunnilingualism on top of that. And in this era of extreme dining, you can&#039;t even be sure this person wasn&#039;t talking about a meal at an unlicensed Chinese restaurant.

So quit your showboating, you big dick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is important&#8230;&#8230;If you say one and i say one who is wrong? Both? Or just me because you have the &#8216;power&#8217;? That sucks&#8230;&#8230;.it also makes a pussy out of you!</p>
<p>Kurt. YOU at the PD have chuckled as you use (and print) the word “tea-baggers” to describe conservative activists voicing their opinions. You and all your sophomoric liberal chums at the PD know exactly what that word means yet you still print it. Why don’t you explain to some of your older readers (that maybe aren’t as hip as the majority of your dwindling readers) in graphic detail exactly what a tea-bagger is.</p>
<p>And many others along those lines.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d just like to point out to Greenbaum that clitoral stimulation is still considered so novel and shocking that there are UN-member nations where it is officially illegal for a woman&#8217;s sex partner to go downstairs. Anti-bilingualism is bad enough; we don&#8217;t need anti-cunnilingualism on top of that. And in this era of extreme dining, you can&#8217;t even be sure this person wasn&#8217;t talking about a meal at an unlicensed Chinese restaurant.</p>
<p>So quit your showboating, you big dick.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Jake. I just posted it.

http://carlosmiller.com/2009/11/21/is-kurt-greenbaum-laughing-at-himself/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Jake. I just posted it.</p>
<p><a href="http://carlosmiller.com/2009/11/21/is-kurt-greenbaum-laughing-at-himself/" rel="nofollow">http://carlosmiller.com/2009/11/21/is-kurt-greenbaum-laughing-at-himself/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/11/17/the-snitches-among-us/#comment-17165</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This video is quite incendiary.  It should have a post of its own.

If Greenbaum is so agianst profanity, then why did he post this on his personal website in September of 09?

Title of posting:, Yes, bloggers, we can laugh at ourselves
September 17, 2009 by Kurt, Filed under: general, social media 

http://www.igreenbaum.com/2009/09/yes-bloggers-we-can-laugh-at-ourselves/

It&#039;s a video of two men, featuring and written by  Adam Jadhav, and current colleague Joel Currier, said to be a former and a current SPD employee, immitating white rappers.  Greenbaum says:  &quot;(note: some language isn’t for little ears).&quot;

The video warns:  &quot;Before you get your shorts in a bunch, remember this is satire&quot;

The language used includes:

The &quot;MF&quot; word - many
The &quot;F&quot; word - many
The &quot;F&quot; word for a gay man - once
The &quot;S&quot; word for feces - once or twice 
The &quot;S&quot; word for fellation - once visually

I&#039;m stunned.  Speechless, really. 

Greenbaum, SPD, Bob Rose, pot, kettle black?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This video is quite incendiary.  It should have a post of its own.</p>
<p>If Greenbaum is so agianst profanity, then why did he post this on his personal website in September of 09?</p>
<p>Title of posting:, Yes, bloggers, we can laugh at ourselves<br />
September 17, 2009 by Kurt, Filed under: general, social media </p>
<p><a href="http://www.igreenbaum.com/2009/09/yes-bloggers-we-can-laugh-at-ourselves/" rel="nofollow">http://www.igreenbaum.com/2009/09/yes-bloggers-we-can-laugh-at-ourselves/</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a video of two men, featuring and written by  Adam Jadhav, and current colleague Joel Currier, said to be a former and a current SPD employee, immitating white rappers.  Greenbaum says:  &#8220;(note: some language isn’t for little ears).&#8221;</p>
<p>The video warns:  &#8220;Before you get your shorts in a bunch, remember this is satire&#8221;</p>
<p>The language used includes:</p>
<p>The &#8220;MF&#8221; word &#8211; many<br />
The &#8220;F&#8221; word &#8211; many<br />
The &#8220;F&#8221; word for a gay man &#8211; once<br />
The &#8220;S&#8221; word for feces &#8211; once or twice<br />
The &#8220;S&#8221; word for fellation &#8211; once visually</p>
<p>I&#8217;m stunned.  Speechless, really. </p>
<p>Greenbaum, SPD, Bob Rose, pot, kettle black?</p>
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		<title>By: Spokker</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/11/17/the-snitches-among-us/#comment-17150</link>
		<dc:creator>Spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would his employer care that he was using dirty words? Who cares? When I was in high school I had a few teachers who cursed in class. Nobody gave a shit.

So, if I were sitting there as a principal or whoever, and I got an email from some prick journalist with a chip on his shoulder complaining about one of my guys cursing on his stupid blog, I would tell the prick journalist to go fuck his dead, decaying mother&#039;s bones until his dick is raw.

P.S. Please don&#039;t inform my employer about this post... :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would his employer care that he was using dirty words? Who cares? When I was in high school I had a few teachers who cursed in class. Nobody gave a shit.</p>
<p>So, if I were sitting there as a principal or whoever, and I got an email from some prick journalist with a chip on his shoulder complaining about one of my guys cursing on his stupid blog, I would tell the prick journalist to go fuck his dead, decaying mother&#8217;s bones until his dick is raw.</p>
<p>P.S. Please don&#8217;t inform my employer about this post&#8230; <img src='http://carlosmiller.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: FootInMouthDisease</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/11/17/the-snitches-among-us/#comment-17137</link>
		<dc:creator>FootInMouthDisease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry...I kept digging. 

Not liking what I found either. In an article about censoring/moderating reader comments, 

Kurt states the following:
&quot;That’s my point exactly. I do not believe that obligation is best served by ignoring such talk or letting it go unchallenged.&quot;

He is referring to racist comments on his blog (and in general, all publications that allow reader comments).  It appears that he has held this opinion, that action should be taken against posters, since at least April of this year.

Here is the article:
http://www.igreenbaum.com/2009/04/in-further-defense-of-uncomfortable-comments/#more-976

My opinion has changed since my previous post. I think this guy is on a crusade that backfired on him. He took the first step in &quot;challenging&quot; what he thought was something that needed a challenge.

 I eagerly await the enemy&#039;s responding volley. It still bothers me...I can&#039;t seem to shake the sneaking feeling this all some stunt to put anonymity on trial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry&#8230;I kept digging. </p>
<p>Not liking what I found either. In an article about censoring/moderating reader comments, </p>
<p>Kurt states the following:<br />
&#8220;That’s my point exactly. I do not believe that obligation is best served by ignoring such talk or letting it go unchallenged.&#8221;</p>
<p>He is referring to racist comments on his blog (and in general, all publications that allow reader comments).  It appears that he has held this opinion, that action should be taken against posters, since at least April of this year.</p>
<p>Here is the article:<br />
<a href="http://www.igreenbaum.com/2009/04/in-further-defense-of-uncomfortable-comments/#more-976" rel="nofollow">http://www.igreenbaum.com/2009/04/in-further-defense-of-uncomfortable-comments/#more-976</a></p>
<p>My opinion has changed since my previous post. I think this guy is on a crusade that backfired on him. He took the first step in &#8220;challenging&#8221; what he thought was something that needed a challenge.</p>
<p> I eagerly await the enemy&#8217;s responding volley. It still bothers me&#8230;I can&#8217;t seem to shake the sneaking feeling this all some stunt to put anonymity on trial.</p>
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		<title>By: FootInMouthDisease</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/11/17/the-snitches-among-us/#comment-17134</link>
		<dc:creator>FootInMouthDisease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, that is enough. 

This guy just made one HUGE mistake, or he is a huge hypocrite. I don&#039;t think I need to dig further. 

You know what I think?

I think this guy has been getting closer and closer to losing his job (due to newspapers going under), growing more and more frustrated that things were getting beyond his control and finally just blew his cool. The debate he discusses, the debate over anonymous posting, is a very emotional debate that goes to our very basic rights as Americans, was having a direct effect on his ability to keep his job. 
I think that frustration just reached the level that he snapped and forgot what he was doing--writing as a journalist. 

Guess he doesn&#039;t have to worry about that job anymore. I cannot see HOW he can manage to hang on to his after this...

He just put himself right smack dab in the middle of the controversy. 

Holy cow...could that have been the idea all along?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, that is enough. </p>
<p>This guy just made one HUGE mistake, or he is a huge hypocrite. I don&#8217;t think I need to dig further. </p>
<p>You know what I think?</p>
<p>I think this guy has been getting closer and closer to losing his job (due to newspapers going under), growing more and more frustrated that things were getting beyond his control and finally just blew his cool. The debate he discusses, the debate over anonymous posting, is a very emotional debate that goes to our very basic rights as Americans, was having a direct effect on his ability to keep his job.<br />
I think that frustration just reached the level that he snapped and forgot what he was doing&#8211;writing as a journalist. </p>
<p>Guess he doesn&#8217;t have to worry about that job anymore. I cannot see HOW he can manage to hang on to his after this&#8230;</p>
<p>He just put himself right smack dab in the middle of the controversy. </p>
<p>Holy cow&#8230;could that have been the idea all along?</p>
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		<title>By: FootInMouthDisease</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/11/17/the-snitches-among-us/#comment-17131</link>
		<dc:creator>FootInMouthDisease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want more?

Here ya go (again, Kurt&#039;s own words):

&quot;The importance of anonymous speech in our democracy has already been widely discussed. That the right to be anonymous would ever be at issue is ridiculous, though I will confess this right now: It’s very easy for me to don the rose-colored glasses on the subject. I’ve never been the victim of an anonymous attack on my character or my livelihood. I’ve not been denied business or opportunity because, unknown to me, someone made a flawed judgment of me based on a scurrilous, anonymous attack...&quot;

Getting deeper...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want more?</p>
<p>Here ya go (again, Kurt&#8217;s own words):</p>
<p>&#8220;The importance of anonymous speech in our democracy has already been widely discussed. That the right to be anonymous would ever be at issue is ridiculous, though I will confess this right now: It’s very easy for me to don the rose-colored glasses on the subject. I’ve never been the victim of an anonymous attack on my character or my livelihood. I’ve not been denied business or opportunity because, unknown to me, someone made a flawed judgment of me based on a scurrilous, anonymous attack&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Getting deeper&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FootInMouthDisease</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/11/17/the-snitches-among-us/#comment-17130</link>
		<dc:creator>FootInMouthDisease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this (again, from his own Blog):

&quot;A blog item on Poynter.org last month noted several examples of news organizations that had curtailed or eliminated story comments because of their concerns over quality — particularly racist rants and personal attacks on readers.&quot;

What personal attacks on readers might you be referring to, Kurt? The ones that get them fired?

We&#039;re waist-deep in that hypocrisy now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this (again, from his own Blog):</p>
<p>&#8220;A blog item on Poynter.org last month noted several examples of news organizations that had curtailed or eliminated story comments because of their concerns over quality — particularly racist rants and personal attacks on readers.&#8221;</p>
<p>What personal attacks on readers might you be referring to, Kurt? The ones that get them fired?</p>
<p>We&#8217;re waist-deep in that hypocrisy now&#8230;</p>
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