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	<title>Comments on: Utah teens cited after rapping their order through a McDonald&#8217;s drive-thru</title>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/31/8449/#comment-16847</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is funny.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/31/8449/#comment-16302</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truthfully, I think the most condemning part of this story is that these young men were so bored in AF that they prepared an McD&#039;s rap, delivered it, and then followed it up with a Vball game.
The citation was probably a great occurrence for them because at least it will give them a good story for the future and provided some excitement to the VBall game. WHo watches VBall anyway? oh also... my previous comment about rapping leading to violence was a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truthfully, I think the most condemning part of this story is that these young men were so bored in AF that they prepared an McD&#8217;s rap, delivered it, and then followed it up with a Vball game.<br />
The citation was probably a great occurrence for them because at least it will give them a good story for the future and provided some excitement to the VBall game. WHo watches VBall anyway? oh also&#8230; my previous comment about rapping leading to violence was a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/31/8449/#comment-16300</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in AF Utah and find it pretty amusing. We must maintain order. It first starts with rapping, then leads to threatening, then to assault it is statistically proven that rapping leads to violence. These employees were simply protecting their rights and property, and making our quant little city safe. Thank you for your courage McDonald’s employees. I personally would have locked down the restaurant and waited for the police to come. Such bravery on the part of the manager to walk outside. Did you see the picture of these teenage thugs? Frightening! There should be an award for such bravery!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in AF Utah and find it pretty amusing. We must maintain order. It first starts with rapping, then leads to threatening, then to assault it is statistically proven that rapping leads to violence. These employees were simply protecting their rights and property, and making our quant little city safe. Thank you for your courage McDonald’s employees. I personally would have locked down the restaurant and waited for the police to come. Such bravery on the part of the manager to walk outside. Did you see the picture of these teenage thugs? Frightening! There should be an award for such bravery!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Quimbly</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/31/8449/#comment-16284</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Quimbly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kol. Klink - These were hardly ghetto kids, you&#039;d know that if you even watched the video.  Rap and hip-hop is part of the national culture now, especially with white suburban high school kids.

People in middle age and beyond generally don&#039;t get that.  Beyond high school, many people still listen to the same old music they grew up listening to.

It might be that the MickeyD&#039;s workers were just as ignorant, and like many suburbanites associate rap and hip-hop with gangs and thugs.  Hearing that sound coming through the drive-through intercom probably terrified them.

That the cops cited them is ludicrous but not surprising - &quot;disorderly conduct&quot; is a vague charge that can be used to slap people for 1st amendment-protected behaviors, including rapping an order at the drive-through.  I mean, c&#039;mon, if people called the police every time they decided to become &quot;annoyed&quot; at another person&#039;s legal speech or behavior, we&#039;d all be facing charges, now, wouldn&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kol. Klink &#8211; These were hardly ghetto kids, you&#8217;d know that if you even watched the video.  Rap and hip-hop is part of the national culture now, especially with white suburban high school kids.</p>
<p>People in middle age and beyond generally don&#8217;t get that.  Beyond high school, many people still listen to the same old music they grew up listening to.</p>
<p>It might be that the MickeyD&#8217;s workers were just as ignorant, and like many suburbanites associate rap and hip-hop with gangs and thugs.  Hearing that sound coming through the drive-through intercom probably terrified them.</p>
<p>That the cops cited them is ludicrous but not surprising &#8211; &#8220;disorderly conduct&#8221; is a vague charge that can be used to slap people for 1st amendment-protected behaviors, including rapping an order at the drive-through.  I mean, c&#8217;mon, if people called the police every time they decided to become &#8220;annoyed&#8221; at another person&#8217;s legal speech or behavior, we&#8217;d all be facing charges, now, wouldn&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: Kol. Klink</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/31/8449/#comment-16280</link>
		<dc:creator>Kol. Klink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ghetto is as ghetto does.</description>
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		<title>By: AngryHateMusic</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/31/8449/#comment-16277</link>
		<dc:creator>AngryHateMusic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Utah, I live in SLC. I drove past the location of this food franchise today. I kept driving. WTF were they doing at McDonalds! Don&#039;t they know McDonalds food is poisonous?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Utah, I live in SLC. I drove past the location of this food franchise today. I kept driving. WTF were they doing at McDonalds! Don&#8217;t they know McDonalds food is poisonous?</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Dent</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/31/8449/#comment-16270</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur Dent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like another blowhard from the Chamber of Commerce throwing around his &quot;power.&quot; I really hate these business people who think they can get whatever they want because they have money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like another blowhard from the Chamber of Commerce throwing around his &#8220;power.&#8221; I really hate these business people who think they can get whatever they want because they have money.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Jankowski</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/31/8449/#comment-16266</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Jankowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing: The manager said what the teens were doing was childish. This from the manager of a restaurant who has a CLOWN for a mascot!

Maybe they should have asked the cops to go after the Hamburgler while they were at it! LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing: The manager said what the teens were doing was childish. This from the manager of a restaurant who has a CLOWN for a mascot!</p>
<p>Maybe they should have asked the cops to go after the Hamburgler while they were at it! LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/31/8449/#comment-16204</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 07:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Local utahn here, and I&#039;ll be letting my friends know that next time they have the urge to release there phat vocals, that they&#039;ll get cited for using there 1st rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Local utahn here, and I&#8217;ll be letting my friends know that next time they have the urge to release there phat vocals, that they&#8217;ll get cited for using there 1st rights.</p>
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		<title>By: JoyLeaf</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/31/8449/#comment-16201</link>
		<dc:creator>JoyLeaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 06:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe next they will have the nerve to take pictures of women! In parking lots! Where will their villainy end?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/northnorthwest/chi-deerfield-blotter-nzone-30oct30,0,4605022.story</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe next they will have the nerve to take pictures of women! In parking lots! Where will their villainy end?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/northnorthwest/chi-deerfield-blotter-nzone-30oct30,0,4605022.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/northnorthwest/chi-deerfield-blotter-nzone-30oct30,0,4605022.story</a></p>
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		<title>By: Workingindust</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/31/8449/#comment-16161</link>
		<dc:creator>Workingindust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read articles like this and wonder - Where the hell did my country go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read articles like this and wonder &#8211; Where the hell did my country go?</p>
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		<title>By: lobster</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/31/8449/#comment-16142</link>
		<dc:creator>lobster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Minnesotan who lived in Utah for a while. This totally doesn&#039;t surprise me, especially coming out of American Fork.  Utah is an awesome state, minus the majority of momos.  There is a reason that the State Legislature is referred to as the &quot;churchislature&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Minnesotan who lived in Utah for a while. This totally doesn&#8217;t surprise me, especially coming out of American Fork.  Utah is an awesome state, minus the majority of momos.  There is a reason that the State Legislature is referred to as the &#8220;churchislature&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/31/8449/#comment-16118</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people of American Fork, Utah should be incensed that their tax dollars were used this way. The police should be embarrassed that they didn&#039;t tell the McDonald&#039;s manager to go pound sand.

And what would have happened if the kids said they weren&#039;t at that McDonald&#039;s and there was no evidence other than the manager&#039;s word?

We. Are. Doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people of American Fork, Utah should be incensed that their tax dollars were used this way. The police should be embarrassed that they didn&#8217;t tell the McDonald&#8217;s manager to go pound sand.</p>
<p>And what would have happened if the kids said they weren&#8217;t at that McDonald&#8217;s and there was no evidence other than the manager&#8217;s word?</p>
<p>We. Are. Doomed.</p>
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