Comments on: S.F. guard threatens to break photographer’s face and camera http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/23/san-francisco-security-guard-threatens-to-break-photographers-face-and-camera/ It's a First Amendment Right Sun, 26 Jun 2011 02:03:25 +0000 hourly 1 By: rthomas http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/23/san-francisco-security-guard-threatens-to-break-photographers-face-and-camera/#comment-17728 rthomas Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:01:48 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=8359#comment-17728 The thing to do would have been an immediate 911 call to the real police. This guard communicated a threat of physical harm and, while IANAL , almost certainly opened himself up to criminal and civil action. The thing to do would have been an immediate 911 call to the real police. This guard communicated a threat of physical harm and, while IANAL , almost certainly opened himself up to criminal and civil action.

]]> By: dsi r4 http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/23/san-francisco-security-guard-threatens-to-break-photographers-face-and-camera/#comment-17240 dsi r4 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:01:59 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=8359#comment-17240 Disappointing to see a security guard treat a photographer so unprofessionally. Photography is not a crime. Disappointing to see a security guard treat a photographer so unprofessionally. Photography is not a crime.

]]> By: xdamousex http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/23/san-francisco-security-guard-threatens-to-break-photographers-face-and-camera/#comment-16009 xdamousex Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:17:43 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=8359#comment-16009 I love how the parent company always denies responsibility and describes it as atypical behavior. Security guards don't freelance, they do what they're told and harass people they're told to harass. Of course, most people simply walk away, and when someone does challenge them, they can just throw up their hands and say "this is not what we tell them to do (officially)." Organizations who engage in this sort of practice should be investigated. Sadly, law enforcement has no problem with this behavior so it's not likely to happen. I love how the parent company always denies responsibility and describes it as atypical behavior. Security guards don’t freelance, they do what they’re told and harass people they’re told to harass. Of course, most people simply walk away, and when someone does challenge them, they can just throw up their hands and say “this is not what we tell them to do (officially).”

Organizations who engage in this sort of practice should be investigated. Sadly, law enforcement has no problem with this behavior so it’s not likely to happen.

]]> By: mepsipax http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/23/san-francisco-security-guard-threatens-to-break-photographers-face-and-camera/#comment-16008 mepsipax Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:20:34 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=8359#comment-16008 Although a good beatdown would be fun the law looks down on it these days. Now if he assaults you and you are recording you can defend yourself. However, the witty retort is always allowed just be prepared to defend yourself. Bullies don't like to be reminded of their stupidity. Although a good beatdown would be fun the law looks down on it these days. Now if he assaults you and you are recording you can defend yourself. However, the witty retort is always allowed just be prepared to defend yourself. Bullies don’t like to be reminded of their stupidity.

]]> By: Michaelk42 http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/23/san-francisco-security-guard-threatens-to-break-photographers-face-and-camera/#comment-15998 Michaelk42 Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:28:47 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=8359#comment-15998 Old-timer on the left has probably been lucky enough to not threaten anyone that would actually pre-emptively smack him down. Old-timer on the left has probably been lucky enough to not threaten anyone that would actually pre-emptively smack him down.

]]> By: Jon Quimbly http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/23/san-francisco-security-guard-threatens-to-break-photographers-face-and-camera/#comment-15996 Jon Quimbly Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:18:18 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=8359#comment-15996 For audio: iPhone and Android phones both have apps for surreptitious audio recording, and some are free. My favorite for Android is called 'Cop Recorder' -- http://www.androlib.com/android.application.org-ale-coprecord-qBpq.aspx The name could draw unwanted attention from LEOs, but once activated it will run in the background, while the phone is "off," and keeps running til you run out of battery or memory, which could be a couple of hours. I also enable the G1's security features, so nobody else can unlock it, keeping out the nosy LEOs who could care less about press rights. For audio: iPhone and Android phones both have apps for surreptitious audio recording, and some are free. My favorite for Android is called ‘Cop Recorder’ –

http://www.androlib.com/android.application.org-ale-coprecord-qBpq.aspx

The name could draw unwanted attention from LEOs, but once activated it will run in the background, while the phone is “off,” and keeps running til you run out of battery or memory, which could be a couple of hours.

I also enable the G1′s security features, so nobody else can unlock it, keeping out the nosy LEOs who could care less about press rights.

]]> By: Jon Quimbly http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/23/san-francisco-security-guard-threatens-to-break-photographers-face-and-camera/#comment-15995 Jon Quimbly Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:17:26 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=8359#comment-15995 @ KBCraig Replacing your existing body to gain that capability can get expensive... Most sub-$300 pocket cameras shoot at 720p and 1080p. I hang an old Nikon P5100 around my neck, then start recording when the po-po or insecurity guards start walking in my direction. They never notice it, cause they're usually focusing on my DSLR gear. @ KBCraig Replacing your existing body to gain that capability can get expensive… Most sub-$300 pocket cameras shoot at 720p and 1080p. I hang an old Nikon P5100 around my neck, then start recording when the po-po or insecurity guards start walking in my direction.

They never notice it, cause they’re usually focusing on my DSLR gear.

]]> By: Charles U. Farley http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/23/san-francisco-security-guard-threatens-to-break-photographers-face-and-camera/#comment-15993 Charles U. Farley Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:56:50 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=8359#comment-15993 I have written to the Vornado company that owns/manages the building. Here is the contact info. FATIMA VEGAS General Manager fvegas@vno.com DIANA ROSENBLATT Property Manager drosenblatt@vno.com JERICHO NEIBERT Assistant Property Manager jneibert@vno.com STEVEN ROTH Chairman of the Board sroth@vno.com MICHAEL FASCITELLI President, CEO and Trustee mfascitelli@vno.com LAWRENCE FRANCIS Director of Security Services lfrancis@vno.com 24 hour number to security at 555 California St. (415) 391-8212 I have written to the Vornado company that owns/manages the building. Here is the contact info.

FATIMA VEGAS
General Manager
fvegas@vno.com

DIANA ROSENBLATT
Property Manager
drosenblatt@vno.com

JERICHO NEIBERT
Assistant Property Manager
jneibert@vno.com

STEVEN ROTH
Chairman of the Board
sroth@vno.com

MICHAEL FASCITELLI
President, CEO and Trustee
mfascitelli@vno.com

LAWRENCE FRANCIS
Director of Security Services
lfrancis@vno.com

24 hour number to security at 555 California St.
(415) 391-8212

]]> By: Chris http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/23/san-francisco-security-guard-threatens-to-break-photographers-face-and-camera/#comment-15992 Chris Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:28:04 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=8359#comment-15992 just a follow up from Col. Jeff Cooper "Fight back! Whenever you are offered violence, fight back! The aggressor does not fear the law, so he must be taught to fear you. Whatever the risk, and at whatever the cost, fight back!" just a follow up from Col. Jeff Cooper
“Fight back! Whenever you are offered violence, fight back! The aggressor does not fear the law, so he must be taught to fear you. Whatever the risk, and at whatever the cost, fight back!”

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