Comments on: Cop shoots fire chief in court http://carlosmiller.com/2009/09/04/cop-shoots-fire-chief-in-court/ It's a First Amendment Right Tue, 07 Sep 2010 04:55:46 +0000 hourly 1 By: Pilot_MKN http://carlosmiller.com/2009/09/04/cop-shoots-fire-chief-in-court/#comment-15272 Pilot_MKN Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:46:53 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7902#comment-15272 I have a friend in law enforcement who believes just like Ron does. No matter how many stories I show this friend, he always takes the cop's side and insists that I "don't understand" because I'm just a silly civilian. I have a friend in law enforcement who believes just like Ron does. No matter how many stories I show this friend, he always takes the cop’s side and insists that I “don’t understand” because I’m just a silly civilian.

]]> By: JoyLeaf http://carlosmiller.com/2009/09/04/cop-shoots-fire-chief-in-court/#comment-14981 JoyLeaf Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:41:40 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7902#comment-14981 Yes, most likely I would go, I do not ask who the house or land belongs to. I joined to help protect our little community and everybody in it. But Darn, I would enjoy that moment of thought of turn about. Yes, most likely I would go, I do not ask who the house or land belongs to. I joined to help protect our little community and everybody in it. But Darn, I would enjoy that moment of thought of turn about.

]]> By: Ariel http://carlosmiller.com/2009/09/04/cop-shoots-fire-chief-in-court/#comment-14979 Ariel Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:07:32 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7902#comment-14979 But you would go anyway, wouldn't you? The temptation would fade quickly. One of the reasons that "officer safety" bothers me is not that I want officers not to be safe but that I realize they use it to justify cowardice. "I didn't hire on to get hurt" is something a fireman realizes to be an excuse for cowardice. But you would go anyway, wouldn’t you? The temptation would fade quickly.

One of the reasons that “officer safety” bothers me is not that I want officers not to be safe but that I realize they use it to justify cowardice. “I didn’t hire on to get hurt” is something a fireman realizes to be an excuse for cowardice.

]]> By: JoyLeaf http://carlosmiller.com/2009/09/04/cop-shoots-fire-chief-in-court/#comment-14978 JoyLeaf Sat, 05 Sep 2009 01:59:27 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7902#comment-14978 Mr.Ben, LOL that was my thought as well. The police and the prosecutors if they live in the area covered by that fire dept. had best practice fire saftey and pray they do not have a fire. I belong to a vol. fire dept. and I would be tempted to sit on my hands if that call came in. Mr.Ben, LOL that was my thought as well. The police and the prosecutors if they live in the area covered by that fire dept. had best practice fire saftey and pray they do not have a fire. I belong to a vol. fire dept. and I would be tempted to sit on my hands if that call came in.

]]> By: Ariel http://carlosmiller.com/2009/09/04/cop-shoots-fire-chief-in-court/#comment-14977 Ariel Sat, 05 Sep 2009 01:47:33 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7902#comment-14977 Ron, You can follow up on all these stories of police abuse of powers or get-out-of-jail-free-cards elsewhere. Carlos may editorialize at times, but it is his blog and his interpretation of events. Generally, he is correct on his outrage, except about Republicans as a group. ;>) The fact is, you don't want to believe it. The police have gone from protectors of the Peace to protectors of the State. Face it, Ron, if a cop stops you and there is an altercation or you're accused of anything, you're a criminal in the minds of people like you. And whatever happens to you, you deserved it. And no matter what you say, the cop is right and you're a criminal who must be lying. The only class of people, the only job people like you give 100% certitude to is the police. But you, Ron, and anyone else is a criminal if the police say so. They don't give a damn if you back them or not, if they say you assaulted them with your face against their knuckles, you did; if they say you interfered with their duties because you asked a question as to why they were beating someone senseless, then you did. At least to people like you. Ron, cops are people not symbols, not constant heroes. People are good, not so good, and bad. Cops are people. Do you really believe all cops never ever violate the law? Never act unlawfully? Never use excessive force, never violate your rights, never beat people bloody just because they can? You enable the bad ones, Ron, you help make them bad. People like you. Ron,
You can follow up on all these stories of police abuse of powers or get-out-of-jail-free-cards elsewhere. Carlos may editorialize at times, but it is his blog and his interpretation of events. Generally, he is correct on his outrage, except about Republicans as a group. ;>)

The fact is, you don’t want to believe it. The police have gone from protectors of the Peace to protectors of the State. Face it, Ron, if a cop stops you and there is an altercation or you’re accused of anything, you’re a criminal in the minds of people like you. And whatever happens to you, you deserved it. And no matter what you say, the cop is right and you’re a criminal who must be lying. The only class of people, the only job people like you give 100% certitude to is the police. But you, Ron, and anyone else is a criminal if the police say so. They don’t give a damn if you back them or not, if they say you assaulted them with your face against their knuckles, you did; if they say you interfered with their duties because you asked a question as to why they were beating someone senseless, then you did. At least to people like you.

Ron, cops are people not symbols, not constant heroes. People are good, not so good, and bad. Cops are people.

Do you really believe all cops never ever violate the law? Never act unlawfully? Never use excessive force, never violate your rights, never beat people bloody just because they can? You enable the bad ones, Ron, you help make them bad. People like you.

]]> By: fishbane http://carlosmiller.com/2009/09/04/cop-shoots-fire-chief-in-court/#comment-14972 fishbane Sat, 05 Sep 2009 01:09:38 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7902#comment-14972 <i>I don’t believe anything I read on this blog.</i> I fail to understand why you would read and bother to comment if that is so. I don’t believe anything I read on this blog.

I fail to understand why you would read and bother to comment if that is so.

]]> By: Jon Quimbly http://carlosmiller.com/2009/09/04/cop-shoots-fire-chief-in-court/#comment-14971 Jon Quimbly Fri, 04 Sep 2009 21:39:56 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7902#comment-14971 One officer per 25 residents. The ratio in my town is nearly ten times that, at 225 residents per cop. <blockquote>"You can't even get them to answer a call because normally they're writing tickets," said Thomas Martin, chief investigator for the Crittenden County Sheriff's Department. "They're not providing a service to the citizens." ... "When I first moved out here, they wrote me a ticket for going 58 mph in my driveway," 75-year-old retiree Albert Beebe said. ... "I know that he was unarmed and I know he was shot," Fishman said. "None of that sounds too good for the city to me." </blockquote> Financing a small town via a traffic ticket quota system is a really bad idea. That town is one excessive-force lawsuit away from insolvency... <blockquote><strong>City hall has been shuttered since the shooting</strong>, and any records of how the money was spent are apparently locked inside...Mayor Helen Adams declined to speak about the shooting ... A white Ford Crown Victoria sat in her driveway with "public property" license plates. <strong>A sales brochure advertising police equipment sat in the back seat of the car</strong>.</blockquote> They could have gone after tourism... cheap farmland... retirees... internet startups... but no. Like a leach, the town attached itself to its' residents wallets by writing everybody expensive traffic citations. Maybe it's time to shut down the municipal corporation and switch back to county services. One officer per 25 residents. The ratio in my town is nearly ten times that, at 225 residents per cop.

“You can’t even get them to answer a call because normally they’re writing tickets,” said Thomas Martin, chief investigator for the Crittenden County Sheriff’s Department. “They’re not providing a service to the citizens.”
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“When I first moved out here, they wrote me a ticket for going 58 mph in my driveway,” 75-year-old retiree Albert Beebe said.
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“I know that he was unarmed and I know he was shot,” Fishman said. “None of that sounds too good for the city to me.”

Financing a small town via a traffic ticket quota system is a really bad idea. That town is one excessive-force lawsuit away from insolvency…

City hall has been shuttered since the shooting, and any records of how the money was spent are apparently locked inside…Mayor Helen Adams declined to speak about the shooting … A white Ford Crown Victoria sat in her driveway with “public property” license plates. A sales brochure advertising police equipment sat in the back seat of the car.

They could have gone after tourism… cheap farmland… retirees… internet startups… but no. Like a leach, the town attached itself to its’ residents wallets by writing everybody expensive traffic citations.

Maybe it’s time to shut down the municipal corporation and switch back to county services.

]]> By: Nemo http://carlosmiller.com/2009/09/04/cop-shoots-fire-chief-in-court/#comment-14962 Nemo Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:13:52 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7902#comment-14962 Ron believes there's /always/ another side of the story which justifies police misconduct, apparently. Better to believe the police are never wring, and this site is never right, I guess. Feh Ron believes there’s /always/ another side of the story which justifies police misconduct, apparently. Better to believe the police are never wring, and this site is never right, I guess.

Feh

]]> By: Ron http://carlosmiller.com/2009/09/04/cop-shoots-fire-chief-in-court/#comment-14961 Ron Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:58:48 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7902#comment-14961 I'm sure there is another side to the story. Perhaps the chief was reaching for one of the cops guns. I don't believe anything I read on this blog. I’m sure there is another side to the story. Perhaps the chief was reaching for one of the cops guns.

I don’t believe anything I read on this blog.

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