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	<title>Comments on: Homeland Security cop arrests man for filming FBI building in NYC</title>
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		<title>By: basspig</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/20/homeland-security-arrests-man-for-filming-fbi-building-in-nyc/#comment-30115</link>
		<dc:creator>basspig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 05:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On June 30, 2007, I was nearly arrested by the MTA cops for recording video through the window of the Metro North train I was riding, leaving Grand Central Station. I had videotaped all day downtown, and in the Museum of Natural History, without a single problem. Then I sat in my seat and rolled tape as I pointed my camera toward the window, to record the scenery of NYC leaving the train station.
The conductor who came to punch my ticket, told me I am not allowed to &#039;video on the train&#039;, to which I asked whether this train was privately owned (in which case I would respect the request), or was public taxpayer-funded. He was polite about it, but the matter ended up with me writing to the president of the MTA, Fox News, Mayor Bloomberg, the ACLU and the local media. The head of the MTA wrote me an apology letter a month later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On June 30, 2007, I was nearly arrested by the MTA cops for recording video through the window of the Metro North train I was riding, leaving Grand Central Station. I had videotaped all day downtown, and in the Museum of Natural History, without a single problem. Then I sat in my seat and rolled tape as I pointed my camera toward the window, to record the scenery of NYC leaving the train station.<br />
The conductor who came to punch my ticket, told me I am not allowed to &#8216;video on the train&#8217;, to which I asked whether this train was privately owned (in which case I would respect the request), or was public taxpayer-funded. He was polite about it, but the matter ended up with me writing to the president of the MTA, Fox News, Mayor Bloomberg, the ACLU and the local media. The head of the MTA wrote me an apology letter a month later.</p>
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		<title>By: Bergman</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/20/homeland-security-arrests-man-for-filming-fbi-building-in-nyc/#comment-20580</link>
		<dc:creator>Bergman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If what Thomas did was itself illegal, that surely would have been part of the charges.  Let us not forget 18 USC 241 and 242, both of which were apparently violated by federal agents, assuming Thomas&#039;s account is accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If what Thomas did was itself illegal, that surely would have been part of the charges.  Let us not forget 18 USC 241 and 242, both of which were apparently violated by federal agents, assuming Thomas&#8217;s account is accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: vadim</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/20/homeland-security-arrests-man-for-filming-fbi-building-in-nyc/#comment-17756</link>
		<dc:creator>vadim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention that (1) trained agent would have no problem filming all aspects of the federal building, including the inside, with hidden camera; (2)  trained agent would have no need to do even that, because agents&#039; training includes memorizing all their observations in tiniest details without any camera at all.

I wonder, does Thomas plan to sue the city?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention that (1) trained agent would have no problem filming all aspects of the federal building, including the inside, with hidden camera; (2)  trained agent would have no need to do even that, because agents&#8217; training includes memorizing all their observations in tiniest details without any camera at all.</p>
<p>I wonder, does Thomas plan to sue the city?</p>
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		<title>By: eneptodoCoexy</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/20/homeland-security-arrests-man-for-filming-fbi-building-in-nyc/#comment-16411</link>
		<dc:creator>eneptodoCoexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: eneptodoCoexy</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/20/homeland-security-arrests-man-for-filming-fbi-building-in-nyc/#comment-16287</link>
		<dc:creator>eneptodoCoexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Carlos Miller</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/20/homeland-security-arrests-man-for-filming-fbi-building-in-nyc/#comment-15170</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;offending an officer&quot;.

That&#039;s just another of way of saying &quot;contempt of cop.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;offending an officer&#8221;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just another of way of saying &#8220;contempt of cop.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Paine</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/20/homeland-security-arrests-man-for-filming-fbi-building-in-nyc/#comment-15169</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Paine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Federal officers have no more right to not be offended than any other citizen.  This is especially true when they initiate the contact and interrupt the photographer without cause.  There was no threat made against the officer; he was merely told to mind his business, which in this case is protecting the inside of the building.

Does any security guard or law enforcement officer think the following exchange would ever really happen? 

Officer:  My I see some identification?

Photographer:   Sure. Though I&#039;m under no legal obligation to provide you with ID, here you go.  You should check it against the Terrorist Watch List. I&#039;m probably on there.

Officer: Why are you taking pictures of this building?
Photographer: It will help in planning the jihad.  Doh! I probably should have made up some other excuse.   You&#039;re going to arrest me on conspiracy charges now, aren&#039;t you?  I knew I should have taken a couple snaps with a point-and-shoot and then moved on.


The point is, stopping someone taking pictures of a building accomplishes nothing, and only wastes both the security officer&#039;s time and the photographer&#039;s time.  

What&#039;s next, stopping everyone on the street who has a cell phone to get their ID and ask them if they are describing the building to someone over the phone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Federal officers have no more right to not be offended than any other citizen.  This is especially true when they initiate the contact and interrupt the photographer without cause.  There was no threat made against the officer; he was merely told to mind his business, which in this case is protecting the inside of the building.</p>
<p>Does any security guard or law enforcement officer think the following exchange would ever really happen? </p>
<p>Officer:  My I see some identification?</p>
<p>Photographer:   Sure. Though I&#8217;m under no legal obligation to provide you with ID, here you go.  You should check it against the Terrorist Watch List. I&#8217;m probably on there.</p>
<p>Officer: Why are you taking pictures of this building?<br />
Photographer: It will help in planning the jihad.  Doh! I probably should have made up some other excuse.   You&#8217;re going to arrest me on conspiracy charges now, aren&#8217;t you?  I knew I should have taken a couple snaps with a point-and-shoot and then moved on.</p>
<p>The point is, stopping someone taking pictures of a building accomplishes nothing, and only wastes both the security officer&#8217;s time and the photographer&#8217;s time.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s next, stopping everyone on the street who has a cell phone to get their ID and ask them if they are describing the building to someone over the phone?</p>
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		<title>By: NYCPhotorights</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/20/homeland-security-arrests-man-for-filming-fbi-building-in-nyc/#comment-15168</link>
		<dc:creator>NYCPhotorights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“offending an officer”

Are they our lords, masters or gods? Have they unilaterally repealed the first amendment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“offending an officer”</p>
<p>Are they our lords, masters or gods? Have they unilaterally repealed the first amendment?</p>
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		<title>By: phatso</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/20/homeland-security-arrests-man-for-filming-fbi-building-in-nyc/#comment-15167</link>
		<dc:creator>phatso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think using profanity directed at a federal officer in itself is something worth being arrested for

could fall in the realms of either &quot;indimidating an officer&quot; or &quot;offending an officer&quot;

seems pretty stupid to me to be cussing at a fed then bitch and moan that nothing was done wrong</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think using profanity directed at a federal officer in itself is something worth being arrested for</p>
<p>could fall in the realms of either &#8220;indimidating an officer&#8221; or &#8220;offending an officer&#8221;</p>
<p>seems pretty stupid to me to be cussing at a fed then bitch and moan that nothing was done wrong</p>
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