Comments on: Traveler told it is illegal to photograph inside NY train station http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/04/traveler-told-it-is-illegal-to-photograph-inside-ny-train-station/ It's a First Amendment Right Fri, 10 Sep 2010 04:04:58 +0000 hourly 1 By: david http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/04/traveler-told-it-is-illegal-to-photograph-inside-ny-train-station/#comment-32181 david Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:16:13 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7572#comment-32181 >> They have no right to stop me from taking photos if I want to. "Having no right" does not prevent someone from screwing up your day and perhaps costing you time and money to unscrew it. >> They have no right to stop me from taking photos if I want to.

“Having no right” does not prevent someone from screwing up your day and perhaps costing you time and money to unscrew it.

]]> By: Neville A. Ross http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/04/traveler-told-it-is-illegal-to-photograph-inside-ny-train-station/#comment-28085 Neville A. Ross Thu, 03 Jun 2010 16:27:56 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7572#comment-28085 Who gives a frack about them? They have no right to stop me from taking photos if I want to. .-= Neville A. Ross´s last blog ..<a href="http://neville6000.deviantart.com/journal/32526946/" rel="nofollow">The Fates Must Be Against Me</a> =-. Who gives a frack about them? They have no right to stop me from taking photos if I want to.
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]]> By: Sky Captain http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/04/traveler-told-it-is-illegal-to-photograph-inside-ny-train-station/#comment-18418 Sky Captain Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:24:19 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7572#comment-18418 Same here. Same here.

]]> By: Not going South http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/04/traveler-told-it-is-illegal-to-photograph-inside-ny-train-station/#comment-18411 Not going South Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:31:03 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7572#comment-18411 Its things like this that stop me from visiting the United Police States of America Its things like this that stop me from visiting the United Police States of America

]]> By: Spokker http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/04/traveler-told-it-is-illegal-to-photograph-inside-ny-train-station/#comment-14373 Spokker Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:13:34 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7572#comment-14373 Well I usually tell cops who question me when I take pictures at rail stations that I am just a homosexual who likes trains and they leave me alone. Well I usually tell cops who question me when I take pictures at rail stations that I am just a homosexual who likes trains and they leave me alone.

]]> By: NYCPhotorights http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/04/traveler-told-it-is-illegal-to-photograph-inside-ny-train-station/#comment-14362 NYCPhotorights Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:37:50 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7572#comment-14362 Pierre: What you said about the New York subway and all MTA properties is true, however there are two other agencies operating transit and commuter services in or to NYC (Port authority and New Jersey Transit). The Port Authority operates the Airtrain to JFK airport and the PATH system that runs between NY and NJ. Airtrain is a relatively new system but they have operated PATH since the mid-1960's. The no-photo rules on PATH and all PA bridge and tunnel properties long predated 9-11. The rules were in place when the WTC was first built back in the 1970's. I suspect the real reasons had more to do with controlling their image rather than anything security related. It appears that they have extended those draconinan rules to their new property - the Airtrain. I only wish that the NYCLU and the NPPA would challenge them at this point - something that does not seem to be happening. Also the Port Authority has its own police force that does not answer to the NYPD. The PA is a bi-state agency jointly controlled by the governors of NY and NJ. Pierre:

What you said about the New York subway and all MTA properties is true, however there are two other agencies operating transit and commuter services in or to NYC (Port authority and New Jersey Transit).

The Port Authority operates the Airtrain to JFK airport and the PATH system that runs between NY and NJ. Airtrain is a relatively new system but they have operated PATH since the mid-1960′s.

The no-photo rules on PATH and all PA bridge and tunnel properties long predated 9-11. The rules were in place when the WTC was first built back in the 1970′s. I suspect the real reasons had more to do with controlling their image rather than anything security related.

It appears that they have extended those draconinan rules to their new property – the Airtrain. I only wish that the NYCLU and the NPPA would challenge them at this point – something that does not seem to be happening.

Also the Port Authority has its own police force that does not answer to the NYPD. The PA is a bi-state agency jointly controlled by the governors of NY and NJ.

]]> By: Pierre F. Lherisson http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/04/traveler-told-it-is-illegal-to-photograph-inside-ny-train-station/#comment-14361 Pierre F. Lherisson Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:17:39 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7572#comment-14361 Post 9-1-1 syndrome has been the basis for this dubious concern. Security concerns regarding taking pictures in the subway system surfaced at the end of 2003, after police in NY intercepted two Iranian "intelligence agents" taking pictures in Queens train tracks leading into a tunnel under the East River; they were arrested. After the incident, the MTA proposed restrictive rules regarding taking pictures in the subway system and in the trains. New York Civil Liberties Union challenged the MTA proposal and vowed to sue. MTA quietly rescind the proposal. It is true that when mosquitoes are flying, it hard to identify which one is male or female; the same principle is true in case of war or national emergency where the state has a fundamental rights to pass laws to protect its population from hostile enemies but that usually leads to a cynical atmosphere. Police have to protect themselves on the beat and sometimes the demarcation line between real and imaginary threat might be blurry during chaotic events and period of upheaval; however,why the Iranian government would use outsider to take pictures in the train tracks in NY when it would have been easier for them to use Iranian-born MTA employees or even some proxies that know the system very well? It appears that logic is taking a back seat when fears and emotions are galloping. It is legal to take picture in the subway or in the train according to MTA rules. Refers to : New York City Rules and Regulations 1050.9c. This rule is on the MTA website.If police is stopping you from taking pictures in the subway or in the train,you should show them the NYCRR 1050.9c. but refrains yourself from challenging the police. Police everywhere are the same. No police like to be challenged. In case you feels that your "rights"have been violated,you may call the following agencies: -New York City Deputy Commission for Public Information at: 646-610--8795->One Police Plaza, N.Y.,N.Y. 10038. -New York City Civil Liberties Union at:212-607-3300->Address: 125 Broad St,suite 18, N.Y.,N.Y.,10004. Post 9-1-1 syndrome has been the basis for this dubious concern.
Security concerns regarding taking pictures in the subway system surfaced at the end of 2003, after police in NY intercepted two Iranian “intelligence agents” taking pictures in Queens train tracks leading into a tunnel under the East River; they were arrested.
After the incident, the MTA proposed restrictive rules regarding taking pictures in the subway system and in the trains. New York Civil Liberties Union challenged the MTA proposal and vowed to sue. MTA quietly rescind the proposal.
It is true that when mosquitoes are flying, it hard to identify which one is male or female; the same principle is true in case of war or national emergency where the state has a fundamental rights to pass laws to protect its population from hostile enemies but that usually leads to a cynical atmosphere.
Police have to protect themselves on the beat and sometimes the demarcation line between real and imaginary threat might be blurry during chaotic events and period of upheaval; however,why the Iranian government would use outsider to take pictures in the train tracks in NY when it would have been easier for them to use Iranian-born MTA employees or even some proxies that know the system very well? It appears that logic is taking a back seat when fears and emotions are galloping.
It is legal to take picture in the subway or in the train according to MTA rules. Refers to : New York City Rules and Regulations 1050.9c. This rule is on the MTA website.If police is stopping you from taking pictures in the subway or in the train,you should show them the NYCRR 1050.9c. but refrains yourself from challenging the police. Police everywhere are the same. No police like to be challenged.
In case you feels that your “rights”have been violated,you may call the following agencies:

-New York City Deputy Commission for Public Information at: 646-610–8795->One Police Plaza, N.Y.,N.Y. 10038.

-New York City Civil Liberties Union at:212-607-3300->Address: 125 Broad St,suite 18, N.Y.,N.Y.,10004.

]]> By: anon http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/04/traveler-told-it-is-illegal-to-photograph-inside-ny-train-station/#comment-14351 anon Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:09:24 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7572#comment-14351 I make it a practice to not antagonize police. Being an asshole right back at them won't do any good. I make it a practice to not antagonize police. Being an asshole right back at them won’t do any good.

]]> By: Spokker http://carlosmiller.com/2009/08/04/traveler-told-it-is-illegal-to-photograph-inside-ny-train-station/#comment-14277 Spokker Sun, 09 Aug 2009 03:08:38 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7572#comment-14277 Hey, Steve. I agree with everything you said but phrases like, "Where is my country?" is pretty much a cliche now. Just say it's a shitty situation, because it is. :) Hey, Steve. I agree with everything you said but phrases like, “Where is my country?” is pretty much a cliche now. Just say it’s a shitty situation, because it is. :)

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