Comments on: Some times it takes beer for common sense to prevail http://carlosmiller.com/2009/07/27/some-times-it-takes-beer-for-common-sense-to-prevail/ It's a First Amendment Right Sun, 01 Aug 2010 05:23:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=8358 By: AngryHateMusic http://carlosmiller.com/2009/07/27/some-times-it-takes-beer-for-common-sense-to-prevail/#comment-14102 AngryHateMusic Sun, 02 Aug 2009 04:44:00 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7412#comment-14102 To HSD: Carlos will continue to act intelligently, and will continue to be non-violent, as you well know. In turn, you portray the great possibility that you have perhaps experienced both of these harmful behaviors personally. Maybe multiple times. But then it is more likely that you are just a member of the "Coercive Monopoly Gang" called government. Carlos, keep it up and thanks! To HSD: Carlos will continue to act intelligently, and will continue to be non-violent, as you well know. In turn, you portray the great possibility that you have perhaps experienced both of these harmful behaviors personally. Maybe multiple times. But then it is more likely that you are just a member of the “Coercive Monopoly Gang” called government.

Carlos, keep it up and thanks!

]]> By: Michaelk42 http://carlosmiller.com/2009/07/27/some-times-it-takes-beer-for-common-sense-to-prevail/#comment-13808 Michaelk42 Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:33:49 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7412#comment-13808 We live in an <i>unprecedented</i> age of access to information. At no time in human history has so much knowledge and information been so accessible, so quickly, so cheaply. <i>And yet clownshoes like MC still can't RTFA.</i> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html And <i>sweet zombie jeebus</i> you can even listen to the bloody 911 call and radio transmissions. http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/07/cambridge_polic_4.html "One thing the tapes didn't show: any clear background sound that indicated Gates was shouting during the incident. Another voice can be heard in the background of at least three transmissions, but what the person is saying is difficult to discern." We live in an unprecedented age of access to information. At no time in human history has so much knowledge and information been so accessible, so quickly, so cheaply.

And yet clownshoes like MC still can’t RTFA.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html

And sweet zombie jeebus you can even listen to the bloody 911 call and radio transmissions.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/07/cambridge_polic_4.html

“One thing the tapes didn’t show: any clear background sound that indicated Gates was shouting during the incident. Another voice can be heard in the background of at least three transmissions, but what the person is saying is difficult to discern.”

]]> By: enhager http://carlosmiller.com/2009/07/27/some-times-it-takes-beer-for-common-sense-to-prevail/#comment-13807 enhager Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:39:40 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7412#comment-13807 By RUSSELL CONTRERAS (AP) – 1 hour ago — The 911 caller who reported two men possibly breaking into the home of black Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. did not describe their race. The officer who arrested Gates, Sgt. James Crowley, said in his police report that he talked to Whalen soon after he arrived at Gates' home. "She went on to tell me that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the porch," Crowley wrote in his report. In her 911 call, Lucia Whalen, who works at the Harvard alumni magazine, repeatedly tells the operator she is not sure what is happening. She does not mention the race of the men until pressed by a dispatcher to describe them. "Um, well, there were two larger men," Whalen says. "One looked kind of Hispanic, but I'm not really sure. And the other one entered and I didn't see what he looked like at all. I just saw it from a distance.'" By RUSSELL CONTRERAS (AP) – 1 hour ago — The 911 caller who reported two men possibly breaking into the home of black Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. did not describe their race.

The officer who arrested Gates, Sgt. James Crowley, said in his police report that he talked to Whalen soon after he arrived at Gates’ home.

“She went on to tell me that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the porch,” Crowley wrote in his report.

In her 911 call, Lucia Whalen, who works at the Harvard alumni magazine, repeatedly tells the operator she is not sure what is happening. She does not mention the race of the men until pressed by a dispatcher to describe them.

“Um, well, there were two larger men,” Whalen says. “One looked kind of Hispanic, but I’m not really sure. And the other one entered and I didn’t see what he looked like at all. I just saw it from a distance.’”

]]> By: steveo http://carlosmiller.com/2009/07/27/some-times-it-takes-beer-for-common-sense-to-prevail/#comment-13806 steveo Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:34:09 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7412#comment-13806 People like HSD and MC are convincing me that O.J. was innocent. People like HSD and MC are convincing me that O.J. was innocent.

]]> By: steveo http://carlosmiller.com/2009/07/27/some-times-it-takes-beer-for-common-sense-to-prevail/#comment-13805 steveo Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:30:04 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7412#comment-13805 I started out thinking Gates was in the wrong, but after reading all the Leo and Leo sympathizer doodle, I'm sure the officers should be locked up for falsely arresting Gates. America didn't turn their backs on Leo land. Leo land turned their backs on America. I started out thinking Gates was in the wrong, but after reading all the Leo and Leo sympathizer doodle, I’m sure the officers should be locked up for falsely arresting Gates. America didn’t turn their backs on Leo land. Leo land turned their backs on America.

]]> By: steveo http://carlosmiller.com/2009/07/27/some-times-it-takes-beer-for-common-sense-to-prevail/#comment-13802 steveo Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:24:32 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7412#comment-13802 MC 13 Here's some cases in FL. If you arrest someone solely on the basis that he won't show ID is false arrest. A defendant's failure to cooperate with the police by refusing to answer questions or identify himself by name cannot itself be criminal conduct. This failure to refuse is protected by the Fourth and Fifth Amendments. Robinson v. State, 550 So.2d 1186 (Fla. 5th DCA 1989). 1. The defendant refused to give his name to the officer prior to being arrested. He was charged with resisting arrest without violence in violation of 843.02. The appeals court concluded that this conduct does not support a finding of resisting arrest without violence. J.R. v. State, 627 So.2d 126 (Fla. 5th DCA 1993). MC, ever hear of the Bill of Rights? MC 13

Here’s some cases in FL. If you arrest someone solely on the basis that he won’t show ID is false arrest.

A defendant’s failure to cooperate with the police by refusing to answer questions or identify himself by name cannot itself be criminal conduct. This failure to refuse is protected by the Fourth and Fifth Amendments. Robinson v. State, 550 So.2d 1186 (Fla. 5th DCA 1989).

1. The defendant refused to give his name to the officer prior to being arrested. He was charged with resisting arrest without violence in violation of 843.02. The appeals court concluded that this conduct does not support a finding of resisting arrest without violence. J.R. v. State, 627 So.2d 126 (Fla. 5th DCA 1993).

MC, ever hear of the Bill of Rights?

]]> By: EdinTally http://carlosmiller.com/2009/07/27/some-times-it-takes-beer-for-common-sense-to-prevail/#comment-13798 EdinTally Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:02:15 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7412#comment-13798 Trolling again MC? So your legal theory here is that any time a call goes to dispatch, due process goes out the window? Please DIAF Trolling again MC? So your legal theory here is that any time a call goes to dispatch, due process goes out the window?

Please DIAF

]]> By: MC http://carlosmiller.com/2009/07/27/some-times-it-takes-beer-for-common-sense-to-prevail/#comment-13797 MC Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:11:29 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7412#comment-13797 EdinTally, you have no idea what you're talking about. It was a lawful arrest. Gates had to show his ID. It was a B&E call. The more people like you rant with gibberish like that, the more you make the Gates faction look like bigger idiots than they already are. EdinTally, you have no idea what you’re talking about. It was a lawful arrest. Gates had to show his ID. It was a B&E call. The more people like you rant with gibberish like that, the more you make the Gates faction look like bigger idiots than they already are.

]]> By: EdinTally http://carlosmiller.com/2009/07/27/some-times-it-takes-beer-for-common-sense-to-prevail/#comment-13796 EdinTally Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:39:52 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=7412#comment-13796 I really want to know how the officer was LEGALLY correct in arresting Gates. Gates did not have to let the officer in his house: but he did. Gates did not have to show his ID: but he did. The officer never had the legal authority to arrest Gates: but he did. For all the apologists, sheep and lemmings out there, stop trying to rewrite history and deal with the underlying issues. I really want to know how the officer was LEGALLY correct in arresting Gates.

Gates did not have to let the officer in his house: but he did.

Gates did not have to show his ID: but he did.

The officer never had the legal authority to arrest Gates: but he did.

For all the apologists, sheep and lemmings out there, stop trying to rewrite history and deal with the underlying issues.

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