Photography is Not a Crime

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• 1 Packratt // Jun 30, 2009 at 5:12 AM

  Thanks for reporting on this one, Carlos. I would have if I had time, but I just don’t right now.

  It might be worth noting, however, that the involvement of the DOJ isn’t necessarily comforting considering they lost the last excessive force case they took on against a King County deputy and that was even with the testimony of other deputies verifying the excessive force.

  The prosecutors are skittish because they’ve had a horrible record taking King County cops to court as well, juries here are very deferential towards the police historically.

  As for the paid leave bit, the KCSO has no choice in that because of the state laws that protect cops and the union agreements that dictate the processes by which the sheriff has to go about to discipline cops.

  That’s not just here though, just look at the Abbate case, he’s still a cop too and may continue to be so even if the CPD wants to get rid of him because firing him isn’t up to them. That’s up to a review board and those are usually packed with fellow cops and ex-cops.

  Not to say the sheriff doesn’t have some blame here as well by not pulling Schene off the streets in some other way before this, but it is important to note the nuances here because it shows how difficult it is to do anything about cops like Schene here in King County.

  The system works to protect bad cops here, that’s something that needs to be understood if there’s any hopes to change that.

• 2 Rob Molecule // Jun 30, 2009 at 9:14 AM

  Is the girl still being charged with assault?

• 3 Kol. Klink // Jun 30, 2009 at 10:06 AM

  Thugs understand only one thing. Force. So, use your rights. This guy does, and also has great video of exercising his rights:

  http://www.youtube.com/user/OpenCarryNH

• 4 the bulldog // Jun 30, 2009 at 11:11 AM

  “paid administrative leave”…puke!

• 5 Packratt // Jun 30, 2009 at 12:31 PM

  Rob, I believe those charges were dropped by the prosecutor because of the tape, but I’m not certain, can’t do searches on court records to verify since she’s a minor.

• 6 Zack S // Jun 30, 2009 at 3:53 PM

  It’s unbelievable to think that anyone in their right mind or with any sort of moral compass would think that the girl caused him injury and pain, or that the officer responded with anything close to a reasonable amount of force, not that the situation required any in the first place.

  The Prosecutor who tried/trying to charge that girl with third degree assault should be ashamed.

• 7 Michaelk42 // Jun 30, 2009 at 8:34 PM

  It’s good to see the Justice Department step up and make sure this thug does some time.

  Viciously beating a 15-year-old girl and shooting someone in the back 11 times. What a guy.

• 8 George // Jun 30, 2009 at 10:55 PM

  Zazk S,

  I would have beat the little hood as well for attacking me.

  He never shot anyone in the back. The officer should sue your for libel (he would win). Hopefull you have some money that he canb take from you in a law suit.

• 9 Pinandpuller // Jul 1, 2009 at 12:40 AM

  George

  Your comment reminds me of Bruce Lee’s statement about people breaking boards with their hands,”Boards don’t hit back.”

  Of course any given board is a lot smarter than you are-which is demonstrably true so don’t bother suing me.

  If you beat the little hood you too would possibly be looking at 3 years in a pound you in the ass federal prison and who knows? That could be a step up.

• 10 George // Jul 1, 2009 at 4:10 AM

  Nope, very little would happen becasue I am not a cop. If I as a civilian were to do the same thing, I would probably be looking at probation. If it was a white man, probably there would be no charges against me.

  This officer’s life and his family’s life has been threatened by people on the internet, and none of those people have been prosecuted….a man from NJ was just arrested for theatening three federal judges and was not even allowed bail.

  Why would they not prosecute people threating the officer and his family?

  I am quite dissapointed that the DOJ spend so much time worry about the rights of Blacks and very little worryng the rights of white people.

• 11 Geortge // Jul 1, 2009 at 5:32 AM

  Michaelk42 the AH wrote,

  “….. shooting someone in the back 11 times. What a guy.”

  Your statement is libelous: the officer never shot anyone on the back. He shot Pedro Jo in the chest. You probably would have shot Pedro Jo as well given the circumstances of the shooting.

• 12 Geortge // Jul 1, 2009 at 5:44 AM

  Michaelk42 the AH wrote,

  Hey, the officer may be sued: but there are quite a number of people, like you, who have made libelous statements regarding the officer: I would imagine he could return the favor and sue you. Hopefully you have some significant assets he can have the court relieve you of. Hey, if I didn’t have a job but had a decent knowledge of the law and was in his shoes, I would go pro-per (represent myself) and come after each and every one of you in the civil court. You don’t need a lawyer to go to court.

  The officer and his family have been repeatedly threatened on the internet and those threats, in particular because he is a peace officer, are also a crime. The feds recently arrested a man in NJ for threatening the life of federal judges and he may not post bond and may see 10 years in prision. Again, with no job and plenty of time on his hands bringing those threats to the attention of the authorities would likely result in at least some prosecutions and some of you internet sweeties doing time your selves. I would also assume that he would have grounds to sue the web sites and writers in civil court as well.

• 13 Michaelk42 // Jul 1, 2009 at 6:50 AM

  @Geortge/George

  AH? What, can’t even type out a proper insult on the internet?

  You may not need a lawyer, but a proper knowledge of defamation law and the standards involved (especially actual malice) sure would be handy.

  I’m also fortunate enough to live in Indiana, where we have a very good anti-SLAPP law. You might want to look into that.

  (“are also a crime” – internet threats are a crime, but defamation is civil. No also there.)

  I think you should have a look at Packratt’s site if you want to know what really happens with actual threats against officers vs. against non-officers. http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?p=192

  “I would also assume that he would have grounds to sue the web sites and writers in civil court as well.”

  Section 230 immunity.

  Yeah George, given your lack of understanding of these things, I don’t think anyone actually has anything to worry about. As with most anonymous internet posters yapping about libel suit threats, you clearly don’t really know what you’re talking about.

• 14 Ariel // Jul 1, 2009 at 9:07 AM

  George or Geortge, whatever,
  Schene did fire into Pedro Jo 11 times while Jo was reaching into or in the passenger seat of his car. Whether all or any went in through his back I couldn’t find, but it was implied that Jo’s back was turned for at least one volley. I do believe Schene had reason to fear for his life given the preceding fight. He did have contusions and a bite mark to back up his report of the fight.

  Death threats are wrong period, but there is a double standard where officers who make them are too often slapped on the wrist, or the threats are ignored entirely. Behind the Blue Wall and Whatever Happened to Serve and Protect has documented numerous cases.

  Anyone that would beat on a 15 year-old girl because she was mouthy and kicked a shoe at him isn’t a man. You would fall into that category, given your willingness to beat on her. A citizen videotaped doing what Schene did would be prosecuted, but doesn’t have the same responsibility that Schene has because she was in his custody. Schene deserves some time in jail or prison for this one.

  Finally, overall I would label your comments with the word “asinine”. Have a good day.

• 15 Ariel // Jul 1, 2009 at 2:09 PM

  Just to let everyone know, the kick-in-the-head in El Monte is now being investigated by the FBI for civil rights violation. Will prove interesting however it goes. Found this at Blue Must be True, his link is to the LAT for the story.

• 16 Mutt // Jul 2, 2009 at 1:30 AM

  that thug schene is a danger to the whole society. he should watch his back too after wat he has done. never know someone might pull a trigger

• 17 Ariel // Jul 2, 2009 at 1:46 AM

  Mutt #16,

  And if someone did I would be all in favor of them spending their entire miserable life in prison. I don’t like thugs, in blue or any other color.

• 18 Christopher Martin // Jul 2, 2009 at 2:57 AM

  Dear George,

  This is a threat.

  Sue me,
  Chris Martin

• 19 George // Jul 2, 2009 at 6:12 PM

  Where is the proportionality here? Where is the equal justice under the law? Chris Brown beats his girl friend, Rhianna, so badly that she has significant injuries and requires hospitalization. He is charged with felony assault and gets only probation and no time.

  A King county deputy is charged with 4th degree misdemeanor assault, where there are no injuries, and you think he should be put away for years? That does not sound like equal justice under the law to me. Where is the justice here? Where is the proportionality?

  Very few people who are charged with 4th degree misdemeanor assault do time: why should the deputy be treated any differently?

• 20 Nemo // Jul 2, 2009 at 7:44 PM

  You’re funny, George. You bring up “proportionality”, but overlook the fact that the girl flipped a shoe (ooooh, scary nija footwear!) and got a 3rd degree (felony) assault charge, while the thug slammed her into the wall, threw her onto the concrete floor, and punched her twice as she was being held down, with help from a colleague only got a 4th degree (misdemeanor) charge. Very proportional, oh my, yes! I suspect she was even told to remove the shoe, to boot.

  “Kid…we don’t want any hangin’s”
  - Officer Obie, Alice’s Restaurant

  To protect himself from those vicious, killer shoes, all he would have had to do is /close the door/. Instead, said thug beat up a little girl. Whooo-hooo! Macho, macho cop! He wants to be a macho cop!

  Tell me, do you favor sumary beat-downs for anyone who doesn’t treat cops like nobility? Do you believe that cops are above their fellow-citizens, and have the right to deliver punishments for any and all crimes? If so, why do we have juries? Judge Dredd can just convict you on site, and shoot you, if he’s having a bad day…

  “You will RESPECT my authoriTAH!”
  - Officer Cartman

• 21 George // Jul 3, 2009 at 1:46 PM

  Nemo,

  You completely dodged my issue and presented a strawman.

  The tactic of intellectual cowards.

  George

• 22 George // Jul 3, 2009 at 1:56 PM

  Christopher Martin,

  You made no threat. But you do make a joke of the actual threats against the officer and his family.

  Would you think it is OK if someone hurt his children or his parents, or his wife? Or even killed them? Do you think it is OK if someone actually killed the officer as they have threatened?

  The people who made threats should be punished to the full extent of the law…and that would mean hard time.

  George

• 23 Michaelk42 // Jul 3, 2009 at 2:47 PM

  @George

  No, Nemo didn’t dodge anything. He brought up a point that was relevant and made sense… unlike your comparison.

  Do you really want to equate an officer with a douchebag pop start that beats his girlfriend? Are you trying to say that if a famous person gets away with doing something wrong, the cop should too? You make no sense.

  Nemo on the other hand, very appropriately questions why the child was charged with a felony for her shoe harmlessly impacting the officer, while the officer is only charged with misdemeanor for viciously beating a child.

  Perhaps you should address that lack of proportionality, George.

• 24 Michaelk42 // Jul 3, 2009 at 2:53 PM

  As for the soon-to-be-former Deputy Schene suing anyone, I suspect his list of priorities looks something like:

  1. Keep out of pound-me-in-the-ass-prison
  2. Keep out of pound-me-in-the-ass-prison
  3. Keep out of pound-me-in-the-ass-prison
  4. Keep out of pound-me-in-the-ass-prison
  5. Oh God please keep me out of pound-me-in-the-ass-prison
  6. Don’t let them find out I beat up a teenage girl
  7. Eggs, milk, butter
  …
  11. Sue random people on internet that said bad things about me, even if those things were true

  Can’t be sure though. The suing part might be lower, for instance.

• 25 Nemo // Jul 3, 2009 at 3:12 PM

  Michael:

  Thanks for demonstrating that an intelligent person can read my post and get my points.

  Regarding your post, though, don’t you think the list might be:

  Step 1: Stay out of pound-me-in-the-ass-prison
  Step 2: ?
  Step 3: Profit!

  Just sayin’

• 26 George // Jul 3, 2009 at 7:40 PM

  I am absolutely making a comparison between Chris brown’s crime and the officers’ action and I am saying that Chris brown’s crime (assuming the officer were convicted, which is still not a certainty) is far worse primarily because of the injuries that Rhianna sustained. The 15 year old sustained no injuries that required medical treatment. Even the King County prosecutor’s office says the law would only support a charge of 4th degree assault given that there were no injuries. Do you believe an officer should be treated any more severely under the law than you or I as a regular citizen?

  Most patrol officers are pretty good fighters and I assume that if the officer really wanted to hurt the girl, it would have been pretty easy for him to do so. The fact that he did not hurt her suggests to me that he never intended to. I have trained martial arts for many years and when my martial arts buddies have gotten into self defense situations, they never last more than 2 seconds and the attacker is left disabled, typically unconscious or with one or more broken bones. It really is quite effortless for those of us with training. I also have many cops in my family.

  I am not sure why people think hitting a woman or girl is a big deal: My personal view if you are woman enough to attack someone, responding in self defense is perfectly appropriate even if the women gets hurt.

  There were two women who really hurt me in martial arts class (on purpose I believe) and I beat both their butts really hard in response and I rather enjoyed it, thank you. I did much worse than what the officer did, but given it was in a martial arts class “fighting” setting it is sort of expected that people get hurt occasionally. The women were taking advantage of the fact that they thought I would respect their “femininity”, and they were quite shocked when I responded they way I did: Probably the first good ass beating they ever had. I was happy to give it to them!

• 27 Nemo // Jul 4, 2009 at 12:28 AM

  George:

  You brought “proportion” into the matter. The kid harmlessly flipped a sneaker at the cop, and he beat on her needlessly. The fact that the child needed no medical attention is less relevant than the fact that the cop needed even less medical attention.

  In your case, the point is that you believe that cops should be allowed to whip up on /anyone/, at the slightest provocation – e.i. that cops are a “master class”, with special dispensation to use physical violence to enforce /their will/ (NOT the law) upon their fellow-citizens.

  Where the women you whipped up on in your martial arts class as skilled and as big as you? Were they 15 years old?

  Talk about strawmen, comparing (presumably) adult women in a controlled setting to a child not expecting to be attacked.

  But that’s George’s lesson, is it not? Be perfectly behaved, or the cops will beat the crap out of you, and George will cheer them on. Best be obeyin’ Massa’ in Blue, y’all. Civil rights are a joke, to George and his ilk.

  Feh!

• 28 Ariel // Jul 4, 2009 at 1:23 AM

  Uh, George, I’m not impressed with how you beat up two women in a dojo. In fact, it’s really pretty shameful, whether women or men. In both the Aikido and Shuri dojos I attended, the sensei would have “helped” you further refine your techniques.

  Nemo #27, I think you summed up George well.

• 29 George // Jul 4, 2009 at 2:26 AM

  “Where the women you whipped up on in your martial arts class as skilled and as big as you? Were they 15 years old? ”

  They were both average size and I would guess one was around 17-19 and the other, mid 20′s. They out ranked me and supposedly were more skilled. It would not have made any difference to me if it was a 15 year old girl or a 300 pound man: If you are willing to hurt me, I will whip your ass in response. I seem to recall that the instructor made me do 50 pushups as punishment: it was worth it!!

  Ariel: It is amazing to me how few martial artists have actually used their skills in a real fight. It is a real confidence builder! Ariel: have you ever actually been in a real fight? After having been bullied as a younger child (the reason I studied martial arts) I was amazed that after about 1 year of study I could actually take someone down pretty much at will and w/o exerting any significant effort to do so. I have knocked 3 men unconscious with a single reverse punch, all who out weighed me significantly and were taller

• 30 Ariel // Jul 4, 2009 at 8:32 AM

  George #29,

  You’re so wrongheaded, I’m near speechless. OK, I’m never really speechless. First, I am going to recommend some reading: “Moving Toward Stillness” by Lowry; Hyams’ “Zen in the Martial Arts”; Morgan’s “Living the Martial Way”; Deshimaru’s “The Zen Way to the Martial Arts”; and Westbrook/Ratti “Aikido and the Dynamic Sphere”. Why?, because you are really missing the point, the philosophy of Martial Arts. If you do it for ego-gratification you will end up: in jail; legal-fee’d/sued out of existence; or finding the guy that will clean your clock good. Violence is a last resort. Period. Which is why very few ever have to use it. Ever. The sensei was telling you something with those 50 push-ups that you didn’t hear.

  As for me, one and it was a draw in your parlance. It was when I was young, in Aikido, and I simply kept him off-balance and unable to hit me or grab me. He gave up. I’ve been in the worst areas of Oakland, San Francisco, Chicago, New York, etc., and either talked myself out of a fight, or, in Oakland, had a very large black guy tell the three kids that ringed me “touch the white boy and you’ll have to deal with me”. No fight. Awareness and avoidance are the first thing you are taught. Heed the lesson.

  The only near death situation I have been in worth a fight was at a Burger King in the Verde Valley. The children’s area had only one exit/entrance, and that was into the main area. They had locked the other two exits for safety. I was there with my kids and my wife was getting the food. Some idiot gets into a fight with a server, and goes out to get his gun. My wife brings in the food, tells me, and I send her back through the entrance and out the exit farthest from where the guy was. I and another guy hand every kid, his and mine, over the block wall to her, telling her to take them as far away as possible. He and I prepared to go in if necessary (his wife was still with us). The idiot did get his gun and did start to come in, but sirens stopped him. No fight.

• 31 Ariel // Jul 4, 2009 at 8:53 AM

  One more thing, the best practical use I ever had from any martial arts training? When I had my youngest baby daughter in my arms, turned to take her into bed, and found I had locked both legs against the coffee table. I was going face first over the coffee table with her in my arms. I pushed off as best I could, turned in mid air and landed on my back on the hard floor, she never woke up. But my wife had to help me up.

  Am I some big time martial artist? Nope. Put in about four years total for three different arts. Years ago. That’s it, besides all the reading I’ve put in. And that one fall was worth every minute. And worth the two torn rotator cuffs, the displaced tail bone, and my wrists.

• 32 Carlos Miller // Jul 4, 2009 at 11:23 PM

  George,

  Why do I get the feeling that if you had an issue with me, you wouldn’t be able to deal with it as physically as you did with those women unless you had a gun or a weapon or friends?

• 33 George // Jul 4, 2009 at 11:39 PM

  Ariel,

  Appreciate your input. We are products of our past in many ways, and given that I was hurt more times than I can count in school bullying. I have actually backed down from many confrontations. I find it rather ironic, that the people I backed down from had no idea how severely they would be damaged if they actually did attack me. I don’t look for fights and I will act meek and weak to avoid one (I actually stand shorter and slump my shoulders to look less threatening and I avoid eye contact): I also use that “I am weak posture” to lull the attacker into underestimating me and in the event of an attack, the attacker will not have his/her guard up which has always allowed me to take the attacker out with one or two well focused strikes that they were never expecting.

  My philosophy is “avoid the fight if possible” , I have avoid many more than I have engaged in, but when it actually goes down, use a blitzkrieg approach to disable the attacker.

• 34 George // Jul 5, 2009 at 12:14 AM

  • Why do I get the feeling that if you had an issue with me, you wouldn’t be able to deal with it as physically as you did with those women unless you had a gun or a weapon or friends?”

  Carlos that is really an idiotic statement. You don’t know me and I don’t know you, and it is highly unlikely I would ever have an issue with you that would lead to a fight.

  These “Women” were second and third degree Black belts and could beat the ass of almost any man they came across. They were not push overs: they could probably beat your ass. One of these women was being taunted by a construction worker who said no women could beat him: She challenged him to a cage match and she knocked the big burley construction worker unconscious in about 2 seconds with a round house kick.

  I do not share the view that somehow a women is not an appropriate candidate for an ass beating if she is threatening me. I grant no gender preference and I would beat a woman attackers ass as quickly as I would a male attacker.

  By the way, I think that Latin Machismo is an idiotic and out dated value system.

• 35 Mario // Jul 6, 2009 at 10:35 PM

  In this case, cop is a complete animal. He totally knocks a girl half his size to the ground and proceeds to beat her. He should prepare himself for the booty calls in prison.

• 36 George // Jul 7, 2009 at 8:18 AM

  Carlos Miller,

  What are you charged with that you need a legal defense fund?

• 37 George // Jul 7, 2009 at 8:41 AM

  Carlos Miller,

  I hope they throw the full penalty at your sorry ass for interfering with the officers. Two – three years in the butt pounding slammer would be good. I think I’ll make a donation to the prosecutor so he has more resources with which to throw your ass in the clink.

  Will you be seeking a Hispanic boy friend in the slammer?

• 38 Scott // Jul 7, 2009 at 10:58 AM

  Wow, bragging about beating up females and then making racist, homophobic statements to boot.

  Stay classy George!

• 39 Kylie // Jul 7, 2009 at 12:44 PM

  George,
  To your proportionality points, I say:
  (1) Bringing up Chris Brown is a strawman, but I’ll address it anyway: He should have received a far harsher sentence than he got.
  (2) The teenage girl in this case should probably not have been charged with anything, and certainly not have been charged with anything more than the mildest misdemeanor possible.
  (3) The officer in this case should have been charged with a more serious charge than the girl, possibly a felony, regardless of whether he left marks on her (and no, this has nothing to do with gender, size or skill, only with the fact that what he did to her was far more serious than what she did to him).

  See, you’re arguing proportionality in sentencing based on what the officer and the girl were charged with, we are all arguing that they were DISPROPORTIONATELY CHARGED.

  As to “self-defense”, I had occasion to be sitting in a courtroom waiting for a friend’s case and listening to another case. A man and his girlfriend were at a bar when another man started harassing the woman. The woman and her boyfriend headed out to their car, and the other man followed. The woman got into the car, at which point a fight broke out between the two men. Both were charged with assault. The boyfriend was claiming self-defense. The judge ruled against his self-defense claim based on the fact that he had opportunity to get in the car and leave, hence there was no need for violence to defend himself. I think the same would apply here. The LEO was not acting in self-defense because he could easily have defended himself by closing the door.

  Further, I would say that you do not understand Ariel’s method of avoiding fights at all. I highly recommend that you spend a few years studying Aikido, preferably at a dojo associated with the World Aikido Headquarters (Aikikai) so that you may learn more reliable and effective ways of avoiding violence than pretending weakness and meekness.

• 40 Michaelk42 // Jul 7, 2009 at 7:38 PM

  I think George has pretty safely placed himself in the pre-teen troll classification. Not worth wasting our collective time on.

• 41 George // Jul 7, 2009 at 11:38 PM

  “Wow, bragging about beating up females and then making racist, homophobic statements to boot.
  Stay classy George!”

  What are you some sort of cave man? I think the anachronistic value of giving gender preference to women was declared null and void sometime around 1970.

  Are you some kind of Chauvinistic moron? Do you actually assume because they are female that somehow they are weaker? I promise you, these women could beat most men in a fight and quite easily too. They would beat your ass with ease.

  I believe in equal rights. I grant no gender preference: I say if a woman wants to fight like a man, she can get her ass beat like a man.

  I would make absolutely no distinction. In fact, I’d probably give her an extra strike for good measure if I thought she was trying to curry favor because of her gender.

  It is quite a shame that America has decided gay and lesbian perverts as normal. What a disgusting and unnatural life style!

• 42 Carlos Miller // Jul 8, 2009 at 1:00 AM

  George,

  I don’t know what type of women you hang out with, but there are very few women who could beat me in a fight.

  Not that I am mister tough guy or anything, it’s just that I am physically stronger than most women. That’s biological.

  And you can call me a chauvinist all you want, but I’m actually a gentleman. I don’t advocate beating up women.

  I guess that just shows how progressive you are.

• 43 Scott Chamness // Jul 8, 2009 at 1:42 AM

  I agree with Michaelk42. George is either one of the most ignorant men I’ve ever had the displeasure to read the comments of, or he’s trying to troll. Unfortunately for him, it sounds like he’s sincere.

  Someone who would beat up a teenage girl because she had a tantrum. That’s kinda wrong man.

  “It is quite a shame that America has decided gay and lesbian perverts as normal”
  Nice job talking about equal rights too.
  I could probably start an entirely different argument based on this, but I really don’t think you are worth more than one post.

• 44 George // Jul 8, 2009 at 1:44 AM

  Carlos,

  I suspect you have just never fought a skilled fighting opponent. While, with equal fighting skill strength does give you some edge, superior technique and dirty fighting will trump it every time. You over estimate the value of strength over technique.

• 45 George // Jul 8, 2009 at 1:52 AM

  “Someone who would beat up a teenage girl because she had a tantrum. That’s kinda wrong man.”

  She deserved the beating.

  Hopefully you would beat your daughter if she behaved like this tramp or, if not, the cops should beat her for you.

• 46 George // Jul 8, 2009 at 2:12 AM

  “And you can call me a chauvinist all you want, but I’m actually a gentleman. I don’t advocate beating up women.”

  Actually, I suspect you would never test that theory due to the risk of getting your ass thoroughly beat-up by the “weaker sex” and losing your Latin badge of machismo (what a pathetic value system, by the way). Many of the women I know are martial arts experts, they would knock you out so fast, you would not know what happened until you woke up.

• 47 Ariel // Jul 8, 2009 at 3:43 AM

  The problem I see here is with the word “beat”. To give someone a “beating” is to cause serious injury, and implies that you have already stopped the person from harming you. When you give someone a “beating” you can easily step over the line and cause permanent injury or death, either of which will leave you shuffling along in the judicial and/or penal system. It will happen, it’s only a matter of time. Juries are often very hard on martial artists, because you are supposed to know how damaging your techniques are and when to stop. You have the right to defend yourself, you do not have the right to give someone a “beating”. And as Kylie pointed out, in most states you can be prosecuted if there was an alternative to violence. Something I have been trying to get through to jones and 10-8, that there are alternatives to violence that you use first.

  No police do not have the right to give someone a “beating”, to teach them a lesson, especially for kicking a shoe at them. It’s called excessive force and is only tolerated in a Police State, and heaven help us if we have arrived at that point. This is why the King County deputy is under investigation by the FBI. King County is notorious for police violence and the resulting corruption of police ethics.

  Male chivalry does have its problems, which puts me slightly in agreement with George. From most studies, including meta-studies, done in the last 10 to 20 years, female violence has gone up in frequency and severity. Or perhaps it was always there but social stereotypes hid it. Women kick, scratch, bite and use weapons; men choke, restrain or wrestle, and punch. Either group can cause serious injury or death, but from DV studies where domestic partner violence is about equal in intiation, females suffer serious injury at a rate of about 3:1 (75%) to 2:1 (66%) versus males. It would likely be the false but often trumpeted 95%-100% if not for male chivalry. It would be 0:1 if males practiced chivalry perfectly. So do I believe you can hit or restrain a woman in self-defense, to protect yourself from serious injury, yes. Give her a “beating”, no, no more than you have a right to give a man a “beating”. But understand this, police will apply male chivalry to you, and view you as the aggressor and the woman as the victim without overwhelming evidence to the contrary. As will, likely, the judicial system. They, of course, do not believe chivalry applies to them.

  I’ve used scares quotes around beating because I really am not sure that the word is being used by everyone with the meaning that I have attached to it at the start.

  Finally, guys, rape isn’t funny. Any form of rape. And it exists in all permutations.

• 48 George // Jul 8, 2009 at 11:17 AM

  “The problem I see here is with the word “beat”. To give someone a “beating” is to cause serious injury, and implies that you have already stopped the person from harming you”

  No reason to continue the attack once the threat is gone.

  One of the perceptive problem I had when I first started studying martial arts is that I was a 98 pound weakling who could not hurt someone with a punch: so when I used it the first two time I was shocked that I completely disabled two men who were much bigger and stronger than me in a few seconds. What really surprised me is that I never consciously thought about my moves: it was pure muscle memory and they moves were exactly the same as the combinations we trained with in class.

  I think a societal value has developed where women somehow feel a sense of entitlement to strike men (ever watch cops?) and think they can get away with it. That is one of the reason I decided to kick the asses of the women in my martial arts class who hurt me: I am, quite sure they though they could get away with it due to their gender, and I decided to teach them a lesson: You want to fight like a man, you can get beat like man.

  I know three men who are or have been actually physically abused by their wives One is a cop, the other was a judo expert and when he asked for an order of protection from the judge, the judge laughed at him. His ex stalked him, keyed his and his relatives cars. He came back a few weeks later with a broken foot (the ex threw a heavy lamp at him and broke his foot) and when the judge again balked at the protection order, my friend said “If she hits me a again I am going to seriously damage her.” The judge finally issued the order and she was arrested the next time she came by. My brother has been physically abused by his wife and I advised him to put a hidden camera in the home so that he would have proof next time: the authorities simply don’t believe that she is abusing him. Some years back a women (at church no less) punched me in the shoulder in anger: I told her if she did it again, I would have her arrested for assault….of course if she was a genuine threat, my intent was to block her punch hard enough to break her arm: it would have been nothing more than a self defense move from (no strike on from me)…I am quite sure nothing would have happened to me legally.

  I hate the chivalrous double standard: women should be registered for the draft the same as men: there should be no preference based on gender.

• 49 Scott // Jul 8, 2009 at 11:36 AM

  George is clearly insane. Maybe he’s another screen name for jones. I don’t know, but either way the two of them are clearly lunatics who should be put in padded cells. Preferably together.

• 50 Michaelk42 // Jul 8, 2009 at 3:57 PM

  So the imaginary “Latin Machismo” is awful, but homophobic rants against gay people is OK…

  I’m afraid if George ever realized the absurdity of his position his head might very well collapse in on itself.

  Oh My. /takei

  Speaking of which, here’s another George with an important message.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s1iQODC5OI

• 51 George // Jul 8, 2009 at 10:58 PM

  Oh, give me a major break. The homosexual life style is a perversion of nature and disgusting. The fact that this pathetic country and our president endorses it is an indication of the level of our total moral decay.

  Scott: suggest you are careful with the middle age white men you mess with. It may be me. I’ll be at the officer’s trial.

• 52 Scott Chamness // Jul 8, 2009 at 11:22 PM

  Ah, George, you talking about yourself believing in equality, while at the same time bashing homosexuals?
  If anything is moral decay, it’s people who go around spouting random BS knowing that they don’t have a logical reason for saying it.

• 53 Kylie // Jul 8, 2009 at 11:39 PM

  Scott – I’m afraid that, with George, you’re trying to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

• 54 George // Jul 9, 2009 at 12:05 AM

  16 Mutt // Jul 2, 2009 at 1:30 AM

  “that thug schene is a danger to the whole society. he should watch his back too after wat he has done. never know someone might pull a trigger”

  Mutt, I suggest you be careful about what you write. A man was arrested in NJ and will spend 10 years in prison for threatening federal judges. The same penalty applies to threats against police officers. Be in fear. Be careful.. You have made threat against the officers life and you may face a more severe penalty yourself than the officer will.

• 55 George // Jul 9, 2009 at 4:21 AM

  “So the imaginary “Latin Machismo” “
  Political correctness has so warped your mind that you actually do not recognize this a distinguishing cultural value system of Hispanic males. You’re an idiot.

  Here is one that will really raise your hackles: The behavioral norms and cultural values of American Blacks suggests irrefutable evidence of significantly lower intelligence and morality: They are simply not as intelligent as their white, Asian and Jewish counter parts. Now if that isn’t anti-PC (but also true) I don’t know what is.

• 56 Michaelk42 // Jul 9, 2009 at 5:08 AM

  @George – Imaginary in the sense that I don’t see Carlos advocating or displaying any particularly Latin (or any other variety) “machismo.” He appears to just be a decent human being.

  Silly George. We’d have to take you seriously in order for our hackles to be raised!

  George is so entertainingly stupid. I say we keep him around.

• 57 George // Jul 9, 2009 at 9:02 PM

  I am glad to hear you love me.

• 58 George // Jul 11, 2009 at 8:53 PM

  Carlos,

  After looking over your case, it is my opinion that you should be doing time. The judge was too easy on you.

• 59 Scott Chamness // Jul 11, 2009 at 9:09 PM

  George,

  He should be doing time for what exactly?

  You know, I just figured as he didn’t do anything illegal or anything, was wondering what you could possibly think he did wrong, or if your just trying to be argumentative.

• 60 Michaelk42 // Jul 11, 2009 at 9:15 PM

  @Scott

  It’s just a lame attempt to get a rise out of Carlos.

• 61 Scott Chamness // Jul 11, 2009 at 9:33 PM

  @ Michaelk42,

  Yeah, I know he is, but I’m just trying to publicly prove once and for all that he is a pathetic troll.

• 62 Carlos Miller // Jul 11, 2009 at 9:40 PM

  Scott,

  He proved that long ago.

  At least I hope he is a pathetic troll. Because otherwise he would be a pathetic, homophobic woman-beater.

• 63 George // Jul 12, 2009 at 2:56 AM

  Carlos,

  You are required to obey a lawful order from a Police officer. You did not. The officer told you to move because of a safety issue, and then you resisted. Officer stated you were obstructing traffic and causing people to stop their cars.

  I disagree that it was a violation of the first amendment…On what basis do you claim this? The authorities (judge and police) obviously did not agree with you. You still could have photographed from across the street or another location and still exercised your first amendment rights.

  I doubt you will succeed in your appeal (should you make one). If this was such a violation of your rights, why will the ACLU not represent you? From what I can glean, you are one arrogant asshole.

  “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

• 64 George // Jul 12, 2009 at 3:00 AM

  Carlos,

  I only have beat women who threaten or strike me. In other words, those who deserve it.

  I am not afraid of homos, I just recognize their life style as the perversion of nature it is. That fact that you don’t recognize that identifies you as morally decadent.

• 65 George // Jul 12, 2009 at 3:05 AM

  Carlos,

  A jury of your peers convicted you. Do you think they were biased as well? If so, in what way were they biased?

  I think you should have done at least some time.

• 66 George // Jul 12, 2009 at 3:07 AM

  @Scott

  It’s just a lame attempt to get a rise out of Carlos.

  Nope, I really think he should do some time.

• 67 Pinandpuller // Jul 12, 2009 at 3:36 AM

  George

  Badges?

  We don’t need no stinking badges!

• 68 George // Jul 12, 2009 at 3:37 AM

  “Schene has been involved in two-officer involved shootings during his eight-year career, including shooting a mentally ill man 11 times in the back during a 2006 traffic stop.”

  Carlos,
  You are poor and very biased journalist. You give a bad some to your profession. You report inaccurate information (don’t bother to check facts, eh) that gives people a different impression than the facts would suggest. Frankly you suck as a journalist: If I were a professor grading your writing, you would fail due to your consistent failure to write about things factually. Maybe you are too stupid to recognize that you actually need to verify some of the other stories you reference by cross checking the data: I am an engineer and my job relies on verifying data, and I have no respect for idiots who don’t take the time to make sure what they write is true and an unbiased reflection of the facts. I am a free lance journalist as well (I write engineering articles and papers) and my peers would ostracize me if I did the sloppy research and analysis and crappy writing that you pathetically offer as journalism.

  1) I read the entire transcript of the inquest and there is absolutely no evidence or eve the implication what so ever that he shot Pedro Jo in the back. Where they hell did you get that idea from.

  2) What in the world does the fact that he was mentally ill have to do with whether the shooting was justified? The only evidence in the inquest was what the officer could have known at the time, and he had absolutely no way of knowing Pedro Jo was mentally Ill. He was attacked by the man and for good reason, the inquest jury decided, had reason to fear for his life. The fact that someone is mentally ill makes them no less dangerous.

  3) Did you add any information about Pedro Jo’s violent past? Did you note that his college professor was so afraid of him that he asked for campus police protection when he handed out grades because he was so afraid of Pedro Jo? Did you note that Pedro Jo was convicted and did time for assaulting an elderly women? Did you note that he threatened his parents with a knife and was considered at high risk for recidivism by mental health professionals? Did you note anything at all to suggest his violent past?

  4) Did you know that the officer who arrested Pedro Jo for the felony assault has a name that was very similar to officer Schene? Maybe Jo thought it was the same person

  5) Did you note that there were 4 or 5 civilian witnesses who testified on Schene’s behalf? Did you note that they were of the opinion that Schene might have died in the attack?

  6) Did you know that Pedro Jo was travelling at almost 135 miles per hour in I-5 and weaving in and out of traffic?

  You are a disgrace.

• 69 Pinandpuller // Jul 12, 2009 at 3:50 AM

  “So the imaginary “Latin Machismo” “
  Political correctness has so warped your mind that you actually do not recognize this a distinguishing cultural value system of Hispanic males. You’re an idiot.

  George

  I’m pretty sure that Carlos is from Florida-not the Iberian Peninsula circa the Roman Empire.

  Do you salute your sensai at a 45 degree angle?

• 70 Pinandpuller // Jul 12, 2009 at 4:00 AM

  George

  From what I’ve seen, photographers who interfere with non LEO’s typically get probation so Carlos should definitly serve time. Probably five years at least, based on what I’ve gleaned from CSI Miami.

• 71 Pinandpuller // Jul 12, 2009 at 4:03 AM

  An engineer who’s a former 98 lb weakling who was bullied. Totally didn’t see that one coming.

  May I suggest cartooning or stand up comedy?

• 72 George // Jul 12, 2009 at 4:14 AM

  Prackatt the idiot wrote,

  “Not to say the sheriff doesn’t have some blame here as well by not pulling Schene off the streets in some other way before this, ”

  Now why would they have done this? There was no evidence to suggest he was not an excellent officer: Both shootings were determined justified. What reason would they have to “pull him off the street” as you suggest w/o providing evidence.

  And I wonder, even if this incident is determined by a court to be excessive, the man still served his community for eight years. He protected people. He saved lives. He arrested criminals and made you and I safer. He protected senior citizens, he arrested violent criminals and for 8 years he put himself at risk to do it. Does that service count for nothing? Is man’s entire life defined by one incident you pathetic pea brains can read about? The man was almost killed by Pedro Jo and assaulted many times. A number of his fellow officers will killed in the line of duty.

  Do you expect police officers to be less than human? Do you expect them to always take abuse and never over-react? What would you do if you were repeatedly assaulted, spit upon, punched, called names and constantly put your life at risk in your job protecting the public? Would you maintain absolute control and remain calm and cool all the time? How many times would you suspect a typical officer might be assaulted in 8 years of service? Do you know that women actually assault officers much more than men?

  The history you hear about is this one incident but you don’t know the history of all the service and personal risk he took to make out lives better.

  Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount tells that we will be judged by the same measure we use to judge others. The irony is that what is actually happening is most judgments that are snap or not based on facts are actually projections! In other words, you are projecting your own motives and on the person you are judging so in effect you are judging yourself.

  One incident does not define a person’s life nor does it negate all the good they have done. You people are fools and I suspect you will pay dear price in eternity.

• 73 George // Jul 12, 2009 at 4:40 AM

  “An engineer who’s a former 98 lb weakling who was bullied. Totally didn’t see that one coming.

  May I suggest cartooning or stand up comedy”

  Hey, I make a great income figuring out things the rest of you dumbasses can’t figure out or have screwed up

• 74 " lol " // Jul 12, 2009 at 8:11 PM

  lol George
  First of all; police corruption is very widespread and very common. This is a prime example. This poor girl had no place to escape. She was of absolutely no threat to the personel. So, let me get this straight, after kicking the shoe at the officer she was suppose to miraculously run through 50 locked doors? Seriously? You condone this shit? You, sir, are no better than the officer. Its absolutely wrong to hurt a minor ” unless your life is in danger “. But I’m pretty sure a shoe in the hands, (or feet) of a 15 year old girl isn’t lethal. The force in which she was thrown to the ground could have easily broken her neck , caused other serious bodily harm or even death. Not to mention the blows to the face. Which freakin’ video were you watching?

  Now, second, you’re an idiot. Stop defending corruption. Stop being stupid. Stop critizing a good journalist. Freedom of speech is fine. Everyone is entitled. If you have something ignorant to say it may be better to keep it to yourself.

  Truthfully, with your comments toward women, you sound like a wife beater. If anyone would actually marry you. And.. you’re an engineer?! Well, congratulations. I hope noones (insert building here) burns down because of you.

• 75 " lol " // Jul 12, 2009 at 8:14 PM

  Ugh, and on another note. You have no idea how many other corrupt things this officer has done in his career of 8 years. Think of the things he could have easily gotten away with.

• 76 George // Jul 12, 2009 at 11:02 PM

  “Now, second, you’re an idiot. Stop defending corruption. Stop being stupid. Stop critizing a good journalist. Freedom of speech is fine. Everyone is “

  Sorry, Carlos Miller is one pathetic excuse for a journalist. A biased and inaccurate personl whose writing you can be quite sure bares no connection to reality He devices and misleads his readers.

• 77 Scott Chamness // Jul 12, 2009 at 11:34 PM

  And considering you advocate beating of women, that rather makes you a pathetic excuse for a human.

• 78 Pinandpuller // Jul 13, 2009 at 12:59 AM

  The Sermon on the Mount? Isn’t that where Jesus said the meek will inherit the Earth?

  Do you suppose that if cops did unto others as was done to them that criminal prosecutions would go down by 90%?

• 79 " lol " // Jul 14, 2009 at 12:40 AM

  Daniel William Hiers Jr.
  Date of birth: Dec. 2, 1972
  Height: 6 feet, 3 inches
  Weight: 210 pounds
  Scars/Tattoos: None known
  Reward: Up to $25,000
  Hiers was a police officer in Charleston, S.C., when he was accused of molesting the 10-year-old daughter of his wife. He was scheduled to turn himself in, but instead allegedly shot his wife to death and fled. With 11 years of experience in law enforcement, he is skilled in police tactics and procedures.

  Another fine example of police corruption. Who the hell hires these people? This guys straight off the 15 U.S. Marshal’s most wanted. If you really do have any information, then google his picture and/or number to confirm and contact police.

  Heh… I’m starting to think George is the judge that sentenced Carlos.

• 80 George // Jul 14, 2009 at 1:45 AM

  “Heh… I’m starting to think George is the judge that sentenced Carlos.”

  Carlos would be doing time if I was the judge.

• 81 George // Jul 15, 2009 at 11:53 PM

  “Hiers was a police officer in Charleston, S.C., when he was accused of molesting the 10-year-old daughter of his wife”

  What the fuck does this have to do with officer schene.

• 82 Greg Dinsmoore // Jul 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM

  The girl was charged with 3rd degree assault a class 3 felony with up to 5 years in prison.
  Arresting crime: Took her mothers car without permission, was arrested without knowledge of who she was in relation to the car.
  Video/Crime: Flipping off her shoe and allegedly injuring Deputy Paul Schene. You see the video, you decide.

  The Deputy was charged with 4th degree assault which is a gross misdemeanor with up to a year in county. For attacking a 15 year old girl.
  Crime: kicked her in the stomach , then punched her in the face, grabbed her by the head and smashed her into a corner, then by her hair alone and with both hands jerks her from the corner to the floor where her head travels a distance greater than 6 feet with her body following. Under full submission face down her arms are forced behind her back, then with no possible avenue of resistance, she is then brutaly punched in the head two times, her face is then slammed to the floor. What is said and done cannot be seen for a moment, but its clear she is already handcuffed and still possesess no threat, as she has not posed a threat the entire video.
  She is then partially picked up by her arms strait out behind her, nearly overextending the rotary cup in both shoulders, this method is quickly abandoned by the deranged deputy and instead he nearly places her back on the floor before opting to grab two handfulls of her hair instead and lift her from the ground placing all the lift to the mercy of her neck.

  This girl is lucky to be alive!

  This one is for George. If that was my daughter, there would be no trial.

  It is absolutely possible that the brutal assault in which was inflicted upon that 15 year old girl by Deputy Paul Schene, may be the most traumatic moment of that young girl’s entire life, past or future.

  There is absolutely no justification whatsoever for his actions, she was already in custody, he should have retrieved the other shoe and closed the door. But this is not a man.

  MY 3 QUESTIONS:
  why did they handcuff her? She’s already in jail.
  Where did they take her? She’s already in a cell.
  What kind of cops are being recruited in that county (to protect the public) that think an unarmed 15 year old girl in a jail cell weighing less than 120lbs is some kind of major threat that warrants that kind of brutal attack?

  To Deputy Paul Schene:
  Your a disgrace to the uniform, your brothers in blue, and to your family. You are a monster. You abandoned your oath and commited a brutal crime against a person that you were sworn to protect. You clearly have no remorse for your actions and show no evidence of publicly apologizing to the public which you have betrayed or to the young girl in which you chose to traumatize with your rage. You and your actions are out of control. May you be made an example of by the very system you turned your back on.

  Where you are going has a different order of laws, and you will be judged accordingly.

• 83 Nemo // Jul 16, 2009 at 7:30 PM

  @George:

  Not every order a cop gives is a “Lawful Order” – including “Don’t take pictures from a public place” or “Get off the public sidewalk which is away from the area we are working”. The orders of a cop are not Law Incarnate, they are only lawful when the police are obeying the law – and Packratt’s research indicates that the cops actually have a slightly worse record at that than the general population.

  Police are civil servants, not civil masters.

• 84 George // Jul 16, 2009 at 11:07 PM

  Greg Dinsmoore ,

  “This girl is lucky to be alive!

  This one is for George. If that was my daughter, there would be no trial.”

  Are you suggesting that the father of the girl should kill the officer? Come out and say it why don’t you so you can do some time. You know they just arrested a NJ man who is faced with 10 years in the Fed Penn for threatening judges: all public officials have that protection in the line of udty.

  So let’s clarify: Are you saying you would actually kill someone who did that to your daughter and are by implication suggesting her father should kill the officer? C’mon, say it directly! Are you suggesting you would be willing to do time for the rest of your life or receive the death penalty if something like that happened to your family member?

  Lots of people talk shit, Mr. Greg Dinsmoore, but very few actually can or will do something: However, you can do time for simply making the threat. Are you suggesting you would kill someone for a simple assault?

  Greg Dinsmoore , the fact that you so over interpret the video identifies you as someone who does not know how to fight. I doubt you could punch your way out of a paper bag, let alone pose any threat to an officer. If was a beating, it was wimpiest beating I have ever seen. Stuff worse than that happens to martial arts students and soldiers every day in their training.

  I whipped on a few women pretty hard in my martial arts class after they hurt me in a sparring match. Their fathers, bothers, boyfriends, husbands, relatives despite their bravado , never did a thing to be because they could not! One of the ladies’ brother was in the class with me, and he never did anything. Why? Because they knew I would rip them a new asshole if they tried! I would whip your daughter’s ass if she assaulted me

  Most cops are pretty good dirty fighters: it would be pretty funny to see you see you taken apart by one!

• 85 Michaelk42 // Jul 16, 2009 at 11:11 PM

  @George

  Oh man. I hope you fight better than you put together a sentence.

  C’mon, George. Let’s see some of your mad sparring skills on YouTube, show us what you got.

• 86 George // Jul 16, 2009 at 11:17 PM

  Nemo,

  “Not every order a cop gives is a “Lawful Order” – including “Don’t take pictures from a public place” or “Get off the public sidewalk which is away from the area we are working”.

  Your ignorance of the law is showing. Most things they tell you to do are lawful orders if it is related to some incident they are working on.

  If you doubt me, why don’t you go around to incidents, get in their way or commit some sort of safety violation and stand their arrogantly telling them they are violating your rights! You will soon be standing in front of an unsympathetic judge like Carlos.

• 87 Michaelk42 // Jul 16, 2009 at 11:34 PM

  @George

  “Most things they tell you to do are lawful orders if it is related to some incident they are working on.”

  Most, but not all. Which is exactly what Nemo said.

  I’ve had cops tell me to not take pictures at a news event before. I didn’t stop, didn’t even bother to give them a response, and guess what? They couldn’t and didn’t do anything to me.

  Funny that way.

  I was just lucky that those cops didn’t decide to make their own laws at the time.

  (That means break the law, George.)

• 88 George // Jul 17, 2009 at 3:14 AM

  “C’mon, George. Let’s see some of your mad sparring skills on YouTube, show us what you got.”

  You’ve already seen one of my former students

• 89 Kylie // Jul 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM

  George @84:
  The way I read it, I don’t think Greg Dinsmoore was threatening anyone. I think he was saying that if we were to apply YOUR reasoning on the girl’s side of the situation instead of the cop’s side, or in other words, if YOU were on the girl’s side instead of the cop’s, that YOU would say “If that was my daughter, there would be no trial.”

  George @88:
  I’ve not seen one of your former students (where have other people seen one of your former students, anyway?), but even if I had, that would mean nothing about your skills. I have seen MANY instances (in many different disciplines) where the student was more skilled than the teacher. And usually, when someone brags about their skills, it is because they have an inferiority complex regarding said skills and they are trying to convince themselves that they are better than they really are.

• 90 Michaelk42 // Jul 17, 2009 at 11:22 AM

  @George #88

  What? Sorry, must have missed that. Where is that again?

  And what does that have to do with your purported skills? Surely someone such as yourself has no fear of actually verifying your statements in some way?

• 91 George // Jul 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM

  Hey,

  You guys are pretty funny, I can post one comment and I will get two or three from the rest of you in response even though you say you will ignore me.

  “Greg Dinsmoore”

  I am challenging you once more to clarify your implied suggestion suggesting that the father of the girl should kill the officer. It would be wonderful to see you do time.

  C’mon: no guts?

  Please say it directly.

• 92 Michaelk42 // Jul 18, 2009 at 4:39 PM

  @George

  But then we wouldn’t get to see what entertainingly dumb thing you’d say next… and it’s not like you actually respond with actual answers to questions anyway.

  And, uh, George? Even if Greg /did/ fully support the idea of the girl’s father harming the officer that criminally assaulted his daughter, /he’s/ not the one making an /actionable/ threat.

  Unless, you know, he has a Death Note or something and can make that happen through some supernatural means.

  What are you going to do, go running to teacher to tell on him?

  =snerk=

• 93 George // Jul 18, 2009 at 11:45 PM

  And, uh, George? Even if Greg /did/ fully support the idea of the girl’s father harming the officer that criminally assaulted his daughter, /he’s/ not the one making an /actionable/ threat.

  Oh really? There is a NJ man who was arrested and I believe he is facing up to 10 years in jail for saying three judges should “definitely be killed”

  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-internet-radio-arrest-25-jun25,0,7879524.story

  C’Mon Greg Dinsmoore , you trashing talking pussy: say it!

• 94 Michaelk42 // Jul 19, 2009 at 12:50 AM

  @George

  Not convicted, however. Also:

  “Turner allegedly posted the work addresses of the judges as well as their photos with a note that home addresses would follow. Also included was a map of Chicago’s federal courthouse highlighting its “anti-truck-bomb” pylons.”

  Major component of actionable threat, George.

  And George, you’re the one talking (and insulting) from behind an anonymous handle. Greg, Carlos, et. al. and I can at least use our real names.

  (Gotta be smart enough to click through to my site for mine, though )

• 95 Nemo // Jul 19, 2009 at 1:02 AM

  You’re funny, Geogie! Do you always deliberately misinterpret the things people you dislike say?

  I wrote: “Not every order a cop gives is a “Lawful Order” – including “Don’t take pictures from a public place” or “Get off the public sidewalk which is away from the area we are working”. ” Just where did I mention getting in the middle of their investigation? What? Only in your fevered imagination? Thought so.

  Police do not have any more expectation of privacy in public spaces than any other citizen, and they only get to keep the crime scene, etc. clear. They don’t get to operate in secret, such as the infamous “back room”, as a matter of “right”.

  If anyone’s ignorance is showing, George, it’s yours. HTH, HAND.

• 96 George // Jul 19, 2009 at 1:36 AM

  Michaelk42.

  Mr Greg Dinsmoore is not there yet. I have read quite a number of threats, posting the officers address (stalking under RCW). One threat said out right that the officers’ family should be killed and it was on the same web page that posted his address. The RCW laws treats threats against and stalking of public officials in the line of duty more severely that it does a threat or stalking of a regular citizen.

  It is up to the prosecutors as to whether they wish to file charges and it is not that clear cut: it varies quite a bit between localities. I would guess that if the officer did the same thing in Spokane they would not care, probably even consider him a hero for whipping on the little shit hood. Seattle is liberal territory and the local Sheriff (Susan R.) has probably prosecuted more officers than regular citizens. She would be run out of town on a rail in Spokane. I can’t think of any case where she has won: the pathetic justice department (our own American Gestapo which is filled with anachronistic racist Blacks ) spent 33 million dollars prosecuting a King county deputy and lost! The Government is required to pay all the legal fees for any King county deputy charged for an act on duty and the deputy gets the legal team of his own choosing!

  Even if someone were charged and won in court, the legal fees could put them in the poor house. I would imagine that if someone actually did carry out one of those threats, or attempted to, in particular if a family member of the officer was harmed that there would be some prosecution of the people making internet threats.

  I personally know of a man who did six months in jail for threatening to burn a house down: there was nothing actionable about the threat except that he said in moment of heated anger. He never took any actual steps to carry out the threat. The girl who the officer is accused of assaulting was charged with felony assault for threatening to shoot someone in the face. I am not aware of any actual steps she took to carry out the threat.

• 97 Michaelk42 // Jul 19, 2009 at 1:56 AM

  @George

  Blah blah blah.

  You’re still some anonymous random person posting comments on a blog and insulting people who can at least use their real names. Your legal theories are pointless. You’re still not even addressing the points made.

  Worse, you’re failing at even providing entertainment at this point.

• 98 Chris Martin // Jul 19, 2009 at 4:58 AM

  @George

  You are so full of shit, it’s oozing out of your dim-witted eyeballs.

  I’d like to see *one* reference to any of that bullshit you just claimed.

• 99 George // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:59 PM

  Chris Martin,

  I did provide *one* reference you dumb shit. Would you like more, dumb ass? Can you count?

  I hope you don’t have children as your offspring, with their negative IQs, would significantly lower the average US IQ and make the country dumber than it already is.

• 100 George // Jul 19, 2009 at 10:02 PM

  “I’ve had cops tell me to not take pictures at a news event before. I didn’t stop, didn’t even bother to give them a response, and guess what? They couldn’t and didn’t do anything to me.

  Funny that way.”

  I doubt you did anything. Probably whimpered away silently. Tough talk, no actions. How many times have you been to jail?

• 101 Michaelk42 // Jul 19, 2009 at 10:05 PM

  @George

  I kept taking pictures, which is a lot more than anonymously posting insults on a blog somewhere like you, Georgie.

• 102 George // Jul 19, 2009 at 10:22 PM

  Michaelk42,

  Are you a perverted homo? Just curious.

• 103 Michaelk42 // Jul 19, 2009 at 10:25 PM

  @George

  Oh, and I’ve been known to

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/felixcat/3471574483/

  take a vid or picture

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/felixcat/2419920960/

  or two

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/felixcat/141240153/

  in the past.

  Speaking of all talk and no action, where’s anything to back up your claims of prowess, George?

  (You seem awfully fixated on the homosexuality thing. You sure there’s not some self-hatred going on there?)

• 104 David // Aug 18, 2009 at 1:26 PM

  I really feel bad for this guys girlfriend/wife (or boyfriend/husband… in the 6 civilized states). I bet she has caught a beating or two.

  This is truly sad.

• 105 Адриан // Aug 18, 2009 at 8:04 PM

  Благодарю, пост действительно толково написан и по делу, есть что почерпнуть.

• 106 keith // Dec 15, 2009 at 11:54 PM

  I’d like to tell Deputy Paul Schene, if he is reading this, How would you feel if that girl was your daughter, I think you are getting everything you deserve, what go’s around comes around, I dont feel sorry for you at all, we trusted you, the people of king county trusted you to be a responsible Deputy, you are a disgrace for all officers who do there job right and honest. It pleases me to know you will never work as an officer ever again. I hope they throw the book at you. good luck, Mybe you be able to get a job as an unarm night security guard job at mall or something.

• 107 bstil // Feb 10, 2010 at 4:06 AM

  observe the officer being hurt by the tennis shoe and he is being paid? how wrong is this? and he is being paid for this? how wrong is that. then we have a cop that actually steps up and tells the truth and then he gets FIRED!! how is it that one truthfull cop gets fired and then the one cop that beats a young girl, gets pulled over for a DUI, shots a mentally ill man actually gets paid!!!! wow its amazing to live in a county like this….

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