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		<title>By: Bankruptcy in Oklahoma</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/06/15/oklahoma-troopers-lawyer-says-emt-escalated-situation/#comment-26989</link>
		<dc:creator>Bankruptcy in Oklahoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 14:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s horrible.</description>
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		<title>By: Nemo</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/06/15/oklahoma-troopers-lawyer-says-emt-escalated-situation/#comment-13579</link>
		<dc:creator>Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the update, Jon.  Looks like Mr. White is turning up the heat: 
http://newsok.com/medical-technician-files-lawsuit-against-trooper/article/3386953 

Works for me, considering that the troopie&#039;s lawyer blamed the troopie&#039;s escalation on White.  
--
Police misconduct: it&#039;s not a black/white issue, it&#039;s not a dem/rep issue.  It&#039;s a citizen issue.  United we stand, divided we fall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update, Jon.  Looks like Mr. White is turning up the heat:<br />
<a href="http://newsok.com/medical-technician-files-lawsuit-against-trooper/article/3386953" rel="nofollow">http://newsok.com/medical-technician-files-lawsuit-against-trooper/article/3386953</a> </p>
<p>Works for me, considering that the troopie&#8217;s lawyer blamed the troopie&#8217;s escalation on White.<br />
&#8211;<br />
Police misconduct: it&#8217;s not a black/white issue, it&#8217;s not a dem/rep issue.  It&#8217;s a citizen issue.  United we stand, divided we fall.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Quimbly</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/06/15/oklahoma-troopers-lawyer-says-emt-escalated-situation/#comment-13578</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Quimbly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The EMT is suing the trooper-

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534312,00.html

&quot;Paramedic Maurice White is seeking punitive and compensatory damages against Trooper Daniel Martin in a case that rose to national prominence this summer after a cell phone video of the conflict appeared on YouTube — showing Martin at one point grabbing White by the neck.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The EMT is suing the trooper-</p>
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<p>&#8220;Paramedic Maurice White is seeking punitive and compensatory damages against Trooper Daniel Martin in a case that rose to national prominence this summer after a cell phone video of the conflict appeared on YouTube — showing Martin at one point grabbing White by the neck.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nemo</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/06/15/oklahoma-troopers-lawyer-says-emt-escalated-situation/#comment-12774</link>
		<dc:creator>Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ariel:  

As I recall the story, that case wasn&#039;t alcohol-related.  He really was a criminal in uniform.  I like to think assholes like that are the rarity, not the rule.  Asshole in question believed he was above the law, and played Judge Dredd, IIRC.  

The sad thing is that there were apologists, like one we might know, who tried to justify badger-boi acting as judge, jury, and executioner.  Scary.  

Polie are human, too - power corrups, unless responsibility prevents.  &quot;For your convenience&quot; really means &quot;for OUR convenience&quot;, and all too many civil servants mistake themselves for &quot;civil masters&quot;.  Ain&#039;t nothing new, but unless the populace resists, they tend to become entrenched.  As I understand it, liscense plates were once a voluntary option, sold as a theft-prevention aid, and now they are mandatory.  Likewise, &#039;they&#039; promised that seat-belt laws would only be &quot;The cherry on top&quot; for traffic violations, as it were.  Now, you have things like &quot;Click it or ticket&quot;. 

The first rule of Ferengi Acquisition is &quot;Once you have their money, never give it back.&quot;  Substitute &#039;money&#039; for &#039;Rights&#039;, and Police for Ferengi...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ariel:  </p>
<p>As I recall the story, that case wasn&#8217;t alcohol-related.  He really was a criminal in uniform.  I like to think assholes like that are the rarity, not the rule.  Asshole in question believed he was above the law, and played Judge Dredd, IIRC.  </p>
<p>The sad thing is that there were apologists, like one we might know, who tried to justify badger-boi acting as judge, jury, and executioner.  Scary.  </p>
<p>Polie are human, too &#8211; power corrups, unless responsibility prevents.  &#8220;For your convenience&#8221; really means &#8220;for OUR convenience&#8221;, and all too many civil servants mistake themselves for &#8220;civil masters&#8221;.  Ain&#8217;t nothing new, but unless the populace resists, they tend to become entrenched.  As I understand it, liscense plates were once a voluntary option, sold as a theft-prevention aid, and now they are mandatory.  Likewise, &#8216;they&#8217; promised that seat-belt laws would only be &#8220;The cherry on top&#8221; for traffic violations, as it were.  Now, you have things like &#8220;Click it or ticket&#8221;. </p>
<p>The first rule of Ferengi Acquisition is &#8220;Once you have their money, never give it back.&#8221;  Substitute &#8216;money&#8217; for &#8216;Rights&#8217;, and Police for Ferengi&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/06/15/oklahoma-troopers-lawyer-says-emt-escalated-situation/#comment-12772</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nemo,

Police run alcoholism and alcohol abuse at twice the rate of the general population, along with the associated crime of DV, as well likely physical assault and DUI. A cop in a bar is a bomb waiting to go off. A cop leaving a bar is a DUI in progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nemo,</p>
<p>Police run alcoholism and alcohol abuse at twice the rate of the general population, along with the associated crime of DV, as well likely physical assault and DUI. A cop in a bar is a bomb waiting to go off. A cop leaving a bar is a DUI in progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike: 

Odd how you ifnore the fact that the ambulance /did/ pull over.  The cop was upset that they didn&#039;t pull over fast enough to suit him.  

You also ignore the fact that the EMT in charge of the unit tried repeatedly to move the incident to the hospital, because they were carrying a patient.  The cop was (IMO) too pissed off to care that he was interfering with the medical transportation of the patient - was she a &quot;ciminal&quot;, too?  

Speaking of &quot;criminals&quot;, when did being critcal of the police become a crime in your world?  Is it a crime to speak disparaginly of a cop with a grudge who, while off-duty,  left a bar he went into for the purpose of raising hell with the bouncer he hated, and went back to his car for his pistol.  Once armed, he went back into the bar, and shot the bouncer dead, then had the gall to try to claim &quot;self-defense&quot; for shooting the unamed man.  (Fortunately, that criminal-in-uniform was convicted for that crime.)  

But the way you go on ignoring the facts here suggests to me that you&#039;d defend that cop, too.  And no, I didn&#039;t make it up - it really happened.  

You appear to be ignoring the fact that in hindering the transportation of a patient, this cop could be in violation of the law, himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike: </p>
<p>Odd how you ifnore the fact that the ambulance /did/ pull over.  The cop was upset that they didn&#8217;t pull over fast enough to suit him.  </p>
<p>You also ignore the fact that the EMT in charge of the unit tried repeatedly to move the incident to the hospital, because they were carrying a patient.  The cop was (IMO) too pissed off to care that he was interfering with the medical transportation of the patient &#8211; was she a &#8220;ciminal&#8221;, too?  </p>
<p>Speaking of &#8220;criminals&#8221;, when did being critcal of the police become a crime in your world?  Is it a crime to speak disparaginly of a cop with a grudge who, while off-duty,  left a bar he went into for the purpose of raising hell with the bouncer he hated, and went back to his car for his pistol.  Once armed, he went back into the bar, and shot the bouncer dead, then had the gall to try to claim &#8220;self-defense&#8221; for shooting the unamed man.  (Fortunately, that criminal-in-uniform was convicted for that crime.)  </p>
<p>But the way you go on ignoring the facts here suggests to me that you&#8217;d defend that cop, too.  And no, I didn&#8217;t make it up &#8211; it really happened.  </p>
<p>You appear to be ignoring the fact that in hindering the transportation of a patient, this cop could be in violation of the law, himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike #23,
It is also a questionable risk for the ambulance to pull over onto a soft shoulder. I have also noted elsewhere that people respond to approaching emergency vehicles at different rates. Each driver has to assess when it is safe to pull over based on what he is driving and road conditions. 

If you would read my post directly above yours you would realize this is not as cut-and-dried as you seem to think and that a number of LEOs actually disagree with you. Do some googling on the subject for godsakes and go to some of the police blogs where this is being discussed. The better reasoned, less knee-jerk comments are not for the Trooper, and vary from neutral to against.

In my post above yours you might also read the applicable statute regarding the mistake the Trooper made. The EMT is in charge of the Unit, and has good reason to address the Trooper given the law on the matter.

Oh, by the way, I&#039;m not a criminal and likely as or more law-abiding than you. My income is likely higher than yours also, not that that&#039;s pertinent but it seems to be a big deal to you regarding people&#039;s right to speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike #23,<br />
It is also a questionable risk for the ambulance to pull over onto a soft shoulder. I have also noted elsewhere that people respond to approaching emergency vehicles at different rates. Each driver has to assess when it is safe to pull over based on what he is driving and road conditions. </p>
<p>If you would read my post directly above yours you would realize this is not as cut-and-dried as you seem to think and that a number of LEOs actually disagree with you. Do some googling on the subject for godsakes and go to some of the police blogs where this is being discussed. The better reasoned, less knee-jerk comments are not for the Trooper, and vary from neutral to against.</p>
<p>In my post above yours you might also read the applicable statute regarding the mistake the Trooper made. The EMT is in charge of the Unit, and has good reason to address the Trooper given the law on the matter.</p>
<p>Oh, by the way, I&#8217;m not a criminal and likely as or more law-abiding than you. My income is likely higher than yours also, not that that&#8217;s pertinent but it seems to be a big deal to you regarding people&#8217;s right to speak.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I QUOTE ONE OF YOU IDIOTS: &quot;Hasn’t anybody official noticed yet WHY the ambulance didn’t pull over right away?
There was a parked car on the side of the road. The ambulance had to get past that first then pull over. He couldn’t brake hard before the car due to the patient in the back.&quot;

THIS IS A BOLD FACED LIE!. IN FACT, the WHITE OLDSMOBILE that was actually IN FRONT OF THE AMBULANCE SOMEHOW HEARD THE TROOPER&#039;s SIREN, and PULLED OVER!!! YOU CAN SEE ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD, and it&#039;s CLEAR! THE ambulance driver SIMPLY WAS ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL. The trooper was FORCED TO PULL INTO oncoming traffic to get by!!! THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE RISK. YOU DAMN CONSPIRACY THEORISTS are all just criminals, who sit at home and bitch at everyone because your life sucks, and you&#039;re broke!!! GET A LIFE PEOPLE!! The EMT got what YOU OR I WOULD HAVE.....HE SHOULD have stayed in the back!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I QUOTE ONE OF YOU IDIOTS: &#8220;Hasn’t anybody official noticed yet WHY the ambulance didn’t pull over right away?<br />
There was a parked car on the side of the road. The ambulance had to get past that first then pull over. He couldn’t brake hard before the car due to the patient in the back.&#8221;</p>
<p>THIS IS A BOLD FACED LIE!. IN FACT, the WHITE OLDSMOBILE that was actually IN FRONT OF THE AMBULANCE SOMEHOW HEARD THE TROOPER&#8217;s SIREN, and PULLED OVER!!! YOU CAN SEE ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD, and it&#8217;s CLEAR! THE ambulance driver SIMPLY WAS ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL. The trooper was FORCED TO PULL INTO oncoming traffic to get by!!! THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE RISK. YOU DAMN CONSPIRACY THEORISTS are all just criminals, who sit at home and bitch at everyone because your life sucks, and you&#8217;re broke!!! GET A LIFE PEOPLE!! The EMT got what YOU OR I WOULD HAVE&#8230;..HE SHOULD have stayed in the back!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK statute 21650.3: §21-650.3.  Delaying, obstructing or interfering with emergency medical technician or other emergency medical care provider - Punishment.
Every person who willfully delays, obstructs or in any way interferes with an emergency medical technician or other emergency medical care provider in the performance of or attempt to perform emergency medical care and treatment or in going to or returning from the scene of a medical emergency, upon conviction, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding six (6) months, or by a fine not to exceed Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00), or by both such fine and imprisonment.
Added by Laws 1990, c. 320, § 1, emerg. eff. May 30, 1990

In essence, the Trooper could not arrest the EMT at the stop, and once the EMT has said &quot;patient&quot; the Trooper was violating the law. I&#039;m finding LEOs falling on both sides of this issue, but FDs and Ambulance Services are on the side of the EMT with qualifications.  FD Association (sic) in OK points out that they normally run without siren/lights with heart patients to reduce anxiety, and that the EMT is responsible for the Unit.

The LEOs against the Trooper point out his rage, that the Ambulance did not fail-to-yield but did so in a reasonable way, that the gesture is something the Trooper has no right to react to and detain for, and that &quot;patient&quot; ends the stop immediately. There is no consensus within LE on this one.
(this is a comment which I have added to most of the posts on this incident, if you wish to comment go to the post regarding this story going national)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK statute 21650.3: §21-650.3.  Delaying, obstructing or interfering with emergency medical technician or other emergency medical care provider &#8211; Punishment.<br />
Every person who willfully delays, obstructs or in any way interferes with an emergency medical technician or other emergency medical care provider in the performance of or attempt to perform emergency medical care and treatment or in going to or returning from the scene of a medical emergency, upon conviction, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding six (6) months, or by a fine not to exceed Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00), or by both such fine and imprisonment.<br />
Added by Laws 1990, c. 320, § 1, emerg. eff. May 30, 1990</p>
<p>In essence, the Trooper could not arrest the EMT at the stop, and once the EMT has said &#8220;patient&#8221; the Trooper was violating the law. I&#8217;m finding LEOs falling on both sides of this issue, but FDs and Ambulance Services are on the side of the EMT with qualifications.  FD Association (sic) in OK points out that they normally run without siren/lights with heart patients to reduce anxiety, and that the EMT is responsible for the Unit.</p>
<p>The LEOs against the Trooper point out his rage, that the Ambulance did not fail-to-yield but did so in a reasonable way, that the gesture is something the Trooper has no right to react to and detain for, and that &#8220;patient&#8221; ends the stop immediately. There is no consensus within LE on this one.<br />
(this is a comment which I have added to most of the posts on this incident, if you wish to comment go to the post regarding this story going national)</p>
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