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		<title>By: Lonny MacDougall</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/06/03/cop-knocks-news-videographers-camera-down-before-handcuffing-him/#comment-14305</link>
		<dc:creator>Lonny MacDougall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 03:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carlos?? are you kidding or do you not realize that as long as Flynt is in business, then by extension, the First Ammendment is in no danger.  Pretend for a moment there were no constraints.  Your significant other was gang raped and left naked and beaten.  Wheere do you stand on the presses rights to flash her pics all over the world?  You tell me line or no line.  And be honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carlos?? are you kidding or do you not realize that as long as Flynt is in business, then by extension, the First Ammendment is in no danger.  Pretend for a moment there were no constraints.  Your significant other was gang raped and left naked and beaten.  Wheere do you stand on the presses rights to flash her pics all over the world?  You tell me line or no line.  And be honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Miller</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/06/03/cop-knocks-news-videographers-camera-down-before-handcuffing-him/#comment-12612</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Defending the rights of the ghouls at this accident has no more risk of helping people than defending Larry Flynt. &lt;/em&gt;

So Freedom of Speech is only acceptable when you approve of the speech?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Defending the rights of the ghouls at this accident has no more risk of helping people than defending Larry Flynt. </em></p>
<p>So Freedom of Speech is only acceptable when you approve of the speech?</p>
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		<title>By: Lonny MacDougall</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/06/03/cop-knocks-news-videographers-camera-down-before-handcuffing-him/#comment-12610</link>
		<dc:creator>Lonny MacDougall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read through the responses and realize that liberty is actually slipping faster than than I at first thought.  Stupidity is the reason as far as I can tell.  Defending the rights of the ghouls at this accident has no more risk of helping people than defending Larry Flynt.  Under the broadest stroke they fall under the rights afforded them by the first amendment.  After all is said and done, their effort does not make this country a better place.  Those who champion their cause holds the rank of majordomo to a cause that is not at risk near the intersection of smut and graphic carnage.  Fortunately, their efforts keep the needless and the senseless at the forefront of the public eye.  Mixed with just enough Britney and Brangelina the true power of the first amendment is never realized.  Men and women that would make good police officers realize that the restraints put them at too much risk.  Those that remain realize soon enough that you can never get in trouble if you act vigilant for the cameras but, do nothing.  Our Federal Government is a Republic not a democracy.  It is time once and for all to reign in video media and put the personal right to privacy and decorum on and even footing with the &quot;shoot everything and splash it to the tabloids for a buck&quot; mentality.  A republic is a land of laws for the good of the people.  The first ammendment will survive if reporters are people that report civic and government affairs and their right to report goes unchallenged and the hacks behind shock video are labeled something else and their right to shoot EVERYTHING is curtailed to respect the rights of the victims of these intrusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read through the responses and realize that liberty is actually slipping faster than than I at first thought.  Stupidity is the reason as far as I can tell.  Defending the rights of the ghouls at this accident has no more risk of helping people than defending Larry Flynt.  Under the broadest stroke they fall under the rights afforded them by the first amendment.  After all is said and done, their effort does not make this country a better place.  Those who champion their cause holds the rank of majordomo to a cause that is not at risk near the intersection of smut and graphic carnage.  Fortunately, their efforts keep the needless and the senseless at the forefront of the public eye.  Mixed with just enough Britney and Brangelina the true power of the first amendment is never realized.  Men and women that would make good police officers realize that the restraints put them at too much risk.  Those that remain realize soon enough that you can never get in trouble if you act vigilant for the cameras but, do nothing.  Our Federal Government is a Republic not a democracy.  It is time once and for all to reign in video media and put the personal right to privacy and decorum on and even footing with the &#8220;shoot everything and splash it to the tabloids for a buck&#8221; mentality.  A republic is a land of laws for the good of the people.  The first ammendment will survive if reporters are people that report civic and government affairs and their right to report goes unchallenged and the hacks behind shock video are labeled something else and their right to shoot EVERYTHING is curtailed to respect the rights of the victims of these intrusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert Robinson</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/06/03/cop-knocks-news-videographers-camera-down-before-handcuffing-him/#comment-12585</link>
		<dc:creator>Bert Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with police agencies in American society is a lack of education and training.  Also they recruit from the military which are typically people unable to find a job in the private sector.  So why do they think once they come out of the military with little to no education they are qualified to become police.  But this is where police agencies recruit from.

Most police agencies including state police only require a junior college degree to be eligible to join the police force.  Where in the private sector can you get a responsible job with a two-year degree, nowhere.  Even Wal-Mart Burger King and McDonald&#039;s have higher requirements for their management personnel.

United States now has the lowest educational system in the industrial world.  Only 27% of Americans have a college degree.  Americans over the age of 65 have a higher percentage of holding a college degree than those under the age of 30.  No wonder companies are moving to Mexico in reporting that they find a high level of education.

Police need to stop recruiting from the military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with police agencies in American society is a lack of education and training.  Also they recruit from the military which are typically people unable to find a job in the private sector.  So why do they think once they come out of the military with little to no education they are qualified to become police.  But this is where police agencies recruit from.</p>
<p>Most police agencies including state police only require a junior college degree to be eligible to join the police force.  Where in the private sector can you get a responsible job with a two-year degree, nowhere.  Even Wal-Mart Burger King and McDonald&#8217;s have higher requirements for their management personnel.</p>
<p>United States now has the lowest educational system in the industrial world.  Only 27% of Americans have a college degree.  Americans over the age of 65 have a higher percentage of holding a college degree than those under the age of 30.  No wonder companies are moving to Mexico in reporting that they find a high level of education.</p>
<p>Police need to stop recruiting from the military.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/06/03/cop-knocks-news-videographers-camera-down-before-handcuffing-him/#comment-12192</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, the law allows for much more than you would want to do ethically. That&#039;s really the way it needs to be, you can&#039;t legislate ethics or morals, because every situation is different. This is also why we need professional journalists.

Further, the officer had no way of knowing what the photographer was actually shooting. It&#039;s not difficult to shoot this sort of thing in a way that avoids identifying victims and gruesome images. Most editors/producers wouldn&#039;t run those images anyway, so there&#039;s no sense in shooting them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, the law allows for much more than you would want to do ethically. That&#8217;s really the way it needs to be, you can&#8217;t legislate ethics or morals, because every situation is different. This is also why we need professional journalists.</p>
<p>Further, the officer had no way of knowing what the photographer was actually shooting. It&#8217;s not difficult to shoot this sort of thing in a way that avoids identifying victims and gruesome images. Most editors/producers wouldn&#8217;t run those images anyway, so there&#8217;s no sense in shooting them.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg W</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/06/03/cop-knocks-news-videographers-camera-down-before-handcuffing-him/#comment-12187</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judging from the responses to my position there appears to be an abundance of sensitivity over any threat to our freedoms. This is a good thing. These freedoms are worth fighting for and there should be concern. But, I think our Freedom of the Press will survive an emotional outburst from a police officer.

I am proud to be counted among the many staunch supporters of Americas constitutionally guaranteed freedoms. It does my heart good to see such compassionate outpouring over even the slightest threat, perceived or real. Let’s not ever lose that compassion.

I condemn this police officers actions, however, I do not condemn her show of emotion. She apparently shares my concern over an obvious lack of compassion creeping into the media. I believe this lack of concern is fired by sensationalism.

Is it really necessary to record the aftermath of a fatal automobile accident? A photojournalist is quick to say yes and backs that answer with a lot of valid reasons. I have been shown that it is possible to use that video as a research tool to help society. But I don’t think this was the reporters intent in this case.

Could the tragedy of that scene be conveyed by the use of words without videotape? I say yes.

I am told that editors are compassionate enough to not allow this type of footage to be released to the public. But can we be assured this will not change in these very difficult financial times?

Newspapers are folding from lack of readership. A very jaded general public needs more and more sensationalism to grab their attention. And holding their attention for any longer than the length of a sound bite is becoming even more of a challenge. How long before publishers begin forcing editors to use bloody traffic accident photos to sell their papers? Or to use the video of the bloodied aftermath to sell ads on the internet?

There once was a time when that reporter would have been publicly shamed for having the bad taste to video a bloody traffic scene. Doing so dishonors the dignity of the human victim. I’ve been told that this kind of thinking is ‘subjective’. Apparently, there is no longer any room for the concern of a persons dignity when it comes to ‘news’ gathering.

Likewise, it seems human emotion and compassion from a police officer is a luxury’ we as a ‘freedom’ loving nation will no longer tolerate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judging from the responses to my position there appears to be an abundance of sensitivity over any threat to our freedoms. This is a good thing. These freedoms are worth fighting for and there should be concern. But, I think our Freedom of the Press will survive an emotional outburst from a police officer.</p>
<p>I am proud to be counted among the many staunch supporters of Americas constitutionally guaranteed freedoms. It does my heart good to see such compassionate outpouring over even the slightest threat, perceived or real. Let’s not ever lose that compassion.</p>
<p>I condemn this police officers actions, however, I do not condemn her show of emotion. She apparently shares my concern over an obvious lack of compassion creeping into the media. I believe this lack of concern is fired by sensationalism.</p>
<p>Is it really necessary to record the aftermath of a fatal automobile accident? A photojournalist is quick to say yes and backs that answer with a lot of valid reasons. I have been shown that it is possible to use that video as a research tool to help society. But I don’t think this was the reporters intent in this case.</p>
<p>Could the tragedy of that scene be conveyed by the use of words without videotape? I say yes.</p>
<p>I am told that editors are compassionate enough to not allow this type of footage to be released to the public. But can we be assured this will not change in these very difficult financial times?</p>
<p>Newspapers are folding from lack of readership. A very jaded general public needs more and more sensationalism to grab their attention. And holding their attention for any longer than the length of a sound bite is becoming even more of a challenge. How long before publishers begin forcing editors to use bloody traffic accident photos to sell their papers? Or to use the video of the bloodied aftermath to sell ads on the internet?</p>
<p>There once was a time when that reporter would have been publicly shamed for having the bad taste to video a bloody traffic scene. Doing so dishonors the dignity of the human victim. I’ve been told that this kind of thinking is ‘subjective’. Apparently, there is no longer any room for the concern of a persons dignity when it comes to ‘news’ gathering.</p>
<p>Likewise, it seems human emotion and compassion from a police officer is a luxury’ we as a ‘freedom’ loving nation will no longer tolerate.</p>
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		<title>By: Boi Boy</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/06/03/cop-knocks-news-videographers-camera-down-before-handcuffing-him/#comment-12175</link>
		<dc:creator>Boi Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Greg W

No, I think that you SHOULD express your opinion here even if you disagree with most everyone else. It is the free open debate that helps us learn other perspectives and hopefully come to some common ground. So, opine away!

I think that the officer had every right to talk to the photographer and express her opinions that he was disrespecting the family by photographing. But, when she used her government authority to stop him she went too far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Greg W</p>
<p>No, I think that you SHOULD express your opinion here even if you disagree with most everyone else. It is the free open debate that helps us learn other perspectives and hopefully come to some common ground. So, opine away!</p>
<p>I think that the officer had every right to talk to the photographer and express her opinions that he was disrespecting the family by photographing. But, when she used her government authority to stop him she went too far.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg W</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/06/03/cop-knocks-news-videographers-camera-down-before-handcuffing-him/#comment-12174</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boi Boy, very well said. I appreciate your insight and have now seen the error in my thinking, that being I should never have voiced my opinion that a police officer should show any kind of emotion.

It appears that almost everyone who commented is very emotionally slanted against cops. I feel very fortunate that I live in a country that offers the freedom of press and the freedom of speech, but clearly it is sometimes best to just keep my opinion to myself.

Thanks again to all of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boi Boy, very well said. I appreciate your insight and have now seen the error in my thinking, that being I should never have voiced my opinion that a police officer should show any kind of emotion.</p>
<p>It appears that almost everyone who commented is very emotionally slanted against cops. I feel very fortunate that I live in a country that offers the freedom of press and the freedom of speech, but clearly it is sometimes best to just keep my opinion to myself.</p>
<p>Thanks again to all of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Boi Boy</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/06/03/cop-knocks-news-videographers-camera-down-before-handcuffing-him/#comment-12172</link>
		<dc:creator>Boi Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ShSimpson

Perhaps this incident is not news to you because it does not impact you. But to others, it is no doubt news. What if your child had to walk along that road every day to school? To that mother it would be news. What if your spouse had previously been in an accident at that intersection and there was a pending claim against another driver? Certainly they would consider this news. What if there had been many previous fatalities at this location before? Certainly news and a public health issue as well. The news story might get the highway department to make safety changes. Perhaps the photographs would give the story more impact thus spurring changes.

So, you like the officer, are making personal value judgements on the newsworthiness/appropriateness of the story. You are judging it from your personal perspective subject to your experiences, background, proximity and biases. The founders of this country codified our rights to avoid this problem. No one person or group should control information or speech, and ESPECIALLY  NOT THE GOVERNMENT! Just because someone doesn&#039;t like some speech doesn&#039;t mean it should be stopped. I don&#039;t agree with, and am offended by, some types of speech such as racism. But, they are entitled to their opinions even if I am repulsed by them. 

This is a textbook case of prior restraint and the supreme court has upheld that this is almost never allowable and the government bears a very high burden to show the reason that it should be allowed. 

The officer, while perhaps naively, thinking she was protecting the victim&#039;s family, ended up trampling all over the First Amendment by imposing her values and using her government authority to do so. She also broke the laws that she is sworn to uphold by committing assault and battery, false imprisonment, and destruction of property against the photographer. She had no reasonable suspicion that the photographer had committed a crime or was going to, and thus had no lawful reason to detain him.

Hopefully the police department will use this unfortunate situation to teach the officers that they are to enforce the law, and not to make moral judgements about otherwise legal behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ShSimpson</p>
<p>Perhaps this incident is not news to you because it does not impact you. But to others, it is no doubt news. What if your child had to walk along that road every day to school? To that mother it would be news. What if your spouse had previously been in an accident at that intersection and there was a pending claim against another driver? Certainly they would consider this news. What if there had been many previous fatalities at this location before? Certainly news and a public health issue as well. The news story might get the highway department to make safety changes. Perhaps the photographs would give the story more impact thus spurring changes.</p>
<p>So, you like the officer, are making personal value judgements on the newsworthiness/appropriateness of the story. You are judging it from your personal perspective subject to your experiences, background, proximity and biases. The founders of this country codified our rights to avoid this problem. No one person or group should control information or speech, and ESPECIALLY  NOT THE GOVERNMENT! Just because someone doesn&#8217;t like some speech doesn&#8217;t mean it should be stopped. I don&#8217;t agree with, and am offended by, some types of speech such as racism. But, they are entitled to their opinions even if I am repulsed by them. </p>
<p>This is a textbook case of prior restraint and the supreme court has upheld that this is almost never allowable and the government bears a very high burden to show the reason that it should be allowed. </p>
<p>The officer, while perhaps naively, thinking she was protecting the victim&#8217;s family, ended up trampling all over the First Amendment by imposing her values and using her government authority to do so. She also broke the laws that she is sworn to uphold by committing assault and battery, false imprisonment, and destruction of property against the photographer. She had no reasonable suspicion that the photographer had committed a crime or was going to, and thus had no lawful reason to detain him.</p>
<p>Hopefully the police department will use this unfortunate situation to teach the officers that they are to enforce the law, and not to make moral judgements about otherwise legal behavior.</p>
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