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		<title>By: Voice of Reason</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/25/la-police-union-pressuring-newspaper-to-fire-journalists/#comment-11822</link>
		<dc:creator>Voice of Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 00:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to genewitch: You said, &lt;em&gt;&quot;Anyone who knows what ISP carlos is using? i’d like to do some research on a couple of broadband forums about it.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

If you or anybody else here has received E-mail from Mr. Miller, the answer should be visible in the headers. You may need to turn on a mail-reader option named &lt;em&gt;Show full headers&lt;/em&gt; or something similar.

There doesn&#039;t appear to be a problem with the web-site servers or with the associated DNS servers. Additionally, there&#039;s no strong evidence of a concerted attack so far, though JoyLeaf&#039;s intermittent connectivity problems might be significant.

If Mr. Miller switches ISPs and this doesn&#039;t solve the problem, it might still be a client-side configuration issue. Either way, after Mr. Miller is back on-line, somebody should call his attention to the log-file suggestion that I made previously. If there&#039;s been a significant drop-off in traffic, it&#039;s possible that we &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; looking at an attack of some type.

You mentioned Net Neutrality. I&#039;ll reserve comment on that specific issue until more information is available. However, I&#039;ll note that ISPs &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; been caught tampering with traffic in the recent past. If that&#039;s what&#039;s happening here, I&#039;m surprised that they&#039;re doing it again so soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to genewitch: You said, <em>&#8220;Anyone who knows what ISP carlos is using? i’d like to do some research on a couple of broadband forums about it.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>If you or anybody else here has received E-mail from Mr. Miller, the answer should be visible in the headers. You may need to turn on a mail-reader option named <em>Show full headers</em> or something similar.</p>
<p>There doesn&#8217;t appear to be a problem with the web-site servers or with the associated DNS servers. Additionally, there&#8217;s no strong evidence of a concerted attack so far, though JoyLeaf&#8217;s intermittent connectivity problems might be significant.</p>
<p>If Mr. Miller switches ISPs and this doesn&#8217;t solve the problem, it might still be a client-side configuration issue. Either way, after Mr. Miller is back on-line, somebody should call his attention to the log-file suggestion that I made previously. If there&#8217;s been a significant drop-off in traffic, it&#8217;s possible that we <em>are</em> looking at an attack of some type.</p>
<p>You mentioned Net Neutrality. I&#8217;ll reserve comment on that specific issue until more information is available. However, I&#8217;ll note that ISPs <em>have</em> been caught tampering with traffic in the recent past. If that&#8217;s what&#8217;s happening here, I&#8217;m surprised that they&#8217;re doing it again so soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Voice of Reason</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/25/la-police-union-pressuring-newspaper-to-fire-journalists/#comment-11821</link>
		<dc:creator>Voice of Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 00:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to JoyLeaf: Aurek is a character from the Blue Mountain area. He was originally known by the less-dignified name of Egg. Aurek spent some time in a catatonic state and was wiser afterwards. The plot is still continuing after 30 years. If I remember correctly, Aurek is living in the ruins of Blue Mountain these days (10,000 years in story time after the events that you read about), dispensing sage advice where it&#039;s needed.

My closing remarks were intended as a joke. I was similar to Skywise in some respects. Maybe similar to Aurek in others. For the benefit of readers who didn&#039;t get the joke, Cutter isn&#039;t known for his social graces, and Rayek isn&#039;t known for his personal warmth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to JoyLeaf: Aurek is a character from the Blue Mountain area. He was originally known by the less-dignified name of Egg. Aurek spent some time in a catatonic state and was wiser afterwards. The plot is still continuing after 30 years. If I remember correctly, Aurek is living in the ruins of Blue Mountain these days (10,000 years in story time after the events that you read about), dispensing sage advice where it&#8217;s needed.</p>
<p>My closing remarks were intended as a joke. I was similar to Skywise in some respects. Maybe similar to Aurek in others. For the benefit of readers who didn&#8217;t get the joke, Cutter isn&#8217;t known for his social graces, and Rayek isn&#8217;t known for his personal warmth.</p>
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		<title>By: genewitch</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/25/la-police-union-pressuring-newspaper-to-fire-journalists/#comment-11818</link>
		<dc:creator>genewitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 21:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VOR: i left carlos a detailed email about how to run tracert and traceroute in windows and mac, as well as switching DNS servers. evidently it didn&#039;t work (or he didn&#039;t receive them) - as he&#039;s switching ISPs.

additionally, you may be right about the firefox issues, my evidence was anecdotal and most of the people who were complaining about it had technical knowledge, so i probably made a logical error in assuming it was widespread. 

i wonder if carlos is victim of something like net neutrality... that would be curiously interesting as his blog is about the first amendment which is what the opponents say is the reason we shouldn&#039;t allow ISPs to charge for access to their networks. 

Anyone who knows what ISP carlos is using? i&#039;d like to do some research on a couple of broadband forums about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VOR: i left carlos a detailed email about how to run tracert and traceroute in windows and mac, as well as switching DNS servers. evidently it didn&#8217;t work (or he didn&#8217;t receive them) &#8211; as he&#8217;s switching ISPs.</p>
<p>additionally, you may be right about the firefox issues, my evidence was anecdotal and most of the people who were complaining about it had technical knowledge, so i probably made a logical error in assuming it was widespread. </p>
<p>i wonder if carlos is victim of something like net neutrality&#8230; that would be curiously interesting as his blog is about the first amendment which is what the opponents say is the reason we shouldn&#8217;t allow ISPs to charge for access to their networks. </p>
<p>Anyone who knows what ISP carlos is using? i&#8217;d like to do some research on a couple of broadband forums about it.</p>
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		<title>By: jwv</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/25/la-police-union-pressuring-newspaper-to-fire-journalists/#comment-11817</link>
		<dc:creator>jwv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 21:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To PB,

I guess you have never read the San Diego Union!  They are right of center, supportive of cops, but about as anti-union as you can get.  

They had (and still may have) for a long time, a battle with one of the printer unions which got quite vicious on both sides.

Need I mention that the LA Times is quite left which would be my guess as to why the article was slanted as anti-cop vice anti-union.

My guess is pay back!

Just the opinion of a San Diego resident...

Jerry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To PB,</p>
<p>I guess you have never read the San Diego Union!  They are right of center, supportive of cops, but about as anti-union as you can get.  </p>
<p>They had (and still may have) for a long time, a battle with one of the printer unions which got quite vicious on both sides.</p>
<p>Need I mention that the LA Times is quite left which would be my guess as to why the article was slanted as anti-cop vice anti-union.</p>
<p>My guess is pay back!</p>
<p>Just the opinion of a San Diego resident&#8230;</p>
<p>Jerry</p>
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		<title>By: JoyLeaf</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/25/la-police-union-pressuring-newspaper-to-fire-journalists/#comment-11816</link>
		<dc:creator>JoyLeaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 20:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to VOR: While I am not sure who Aurek is that does sound like a somewhat scary combo. Skywise is/was my favorite followed closely by Pike.  No connection problems today but when or if it happens again I will try the DNS change and let you know if it helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to VOR: While I am not sure who Aurek is that does sound like a somewhat scary combo. Skywise is/was my favorite followed closely by Pike.  No connection problems today but when or if it happens again I will try the DNS change and let you know if it helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Packratt</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/25/la-police-union-pressuring-newspaper-to-fire-journalists/#comment-11814</link>
		<dc:creator>Packratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to let everyone know, I&#039;ve been passing on the suggestions you&#039;ve given and Carlos is working on the problem. 
So thank you for the help, I&#039;m sure he&#039;ll be back at it soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to let everyone know, I&#8217;ve been passing on the suggestions you&#8217;ve given and Carlos is working on the problem.<br />
So thank you for the help, I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll be back at it soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Voice of Reason</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/25/la-police-union-pressuring-newspaper-to-fire-journalists/#comment-11813</link>
		<dc:creator>Voice of Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 08:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to genewitch and other knowledgeable techs:

If you&#039;re reading this, obviously you can access the site. However, perhaps you have friends who can&#039;t get through. Try the DNS and &quot;traceroute&quot; experiments discussed previously using their systems. Even a small amount of information would help us to establish whether the connectivity problems reported so far are related to minor issues or to a concerted attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to genewitch and other knowledgeable techs:</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re reading this, obviously you can access the site. However, perhaps you have friends who can&#8217;t get through. Try the DNS and &#8220;traceroute&#8221; experiments discussed previously using their systems. Even a small amount of information would help us to establish whether the connectivity problems reported so far are related to minor issues or to a concerted attack.</p>
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		<title>By: Voice of Reason</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/25/la-police-union-pressuring-newspaper-to-fire-journalists/#comment-11812</link>
		<dc:creator>Voice of Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 07:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to HA! and PB: You said (twice), &lt;em&gt;&quot;He he he he he. It’s called payback baby. He who pays the fiddler calls the tune. Hope those liberal cop-hating reporters’ butts don’t get bruised as the door smacks them on the way out. Buh-bye now!!&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

We heard you the first time. You are a troll, as opposed to a basher. It&#039;s fun and even useful to engage bashers sometimes. However, nobody cares about trolls. Additionally, the adults are busy right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to HA! and PB: You said (twice), <em>&#8220;He he he he he. It’s called payback baby. He who pays the fiddler calls the tune. Hope those liberal cop-hating reporters’ butts don’t get bruised as the door smacks them on the way out. Buh-bye now!!&#8221;</em></p>
<p>We heard you the first time. You are a troll, as opposed to a basher. It&#8217;s fun and even useful to engage bashers sometimes. However, nobody cares about trolls. Additionally, the adults are busy right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Voice of Reason</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/25/la-police-union-pressuring-newspaper-to-fire-journalists/#comment-11811</link>
		<dc:creator>Voice of Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 07:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to JoyLeaf: You said, &lt;em&gt;&quot;My ability to reach the site has been intermittent for the last week. It does not seem to matter if I am using Firefox, IE or Chrome.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Thanks. If you&#039;re able to change DNS as mentioned in the preceding posts, try that. It would be interesting to find out if the DNS change did or didn&#039;t make a difference.

Incidentally, if intermittent connectivity means that you missed my response to your Foxfur post, the follow-up is located at &lt;a href=&quot;http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/20/6665/#comment-11731&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to JoyLeaf: You said, <em>&#8220;My ability to reach the site has been intermittent for the last week. It does not seem to matter if I am using Firefox, IE or Chrome.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Thanks. If you&#8217;re able to change DNS as mentioned in the preceding posts, try that. It would be interesting to find out if the DNS change did or didn&#8217;t make a difference.</p>
<p>Incidentally, if intermittent connectivity means that you missed my response to your Foxfur post, the follow-up is located at <a href="http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/20/6665/#comment-11731" rel="nofollow">this</a> link.</p>
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		<title>By: Voice of Reason</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/25/la-police-union-pressuring-newspaper-to-fire-journalists/#comment-11810</link>
		<dc:creator>Voice of Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 07:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to genewitch: Thanks, but the Google search you suggested didn&#039;t produce much besides old pages on the subject. When I tried it, most of the pages that showed up dated back to June 2008 or before. I only found a few pages that were current or semi-current.

Additionally, the pages in question (both old and new) weren&#039;t about a specific problem. They discussed a wide range of problems.

At first glance, I don&#039;t see any indication that the &lt;em&gt;&quot;tons of people&quot;&lt;/em&gt; issue you mentioned previously has actually occurred, or that there&#039;s been any increase in problems at all.

I&#039;m not saying that a specific problem doesn&#039;t exist. After all, you&#039;ve observed a problem of some type yourself. However, the Google search isn&#039;t useful. If you&#039;ve got direct links to pages that discuss the issue you referred to, please pass them on to me. I&#039;ve got some tweaks I&#039;ve been working on for eight years that might be helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to genewitch: Thanks, but the Google search you suggested didn&#8217;t produce much besides old pages on the subject. When I tried it, most of the pages that showed up dated back to June 2008 or before. I only found a few pages that were current or semi-current.</p>
<p>Additionally, the pages in question (both old and new) weren&#8217;t about a specific problem. They discussed a wide range of problems.</p>
<p>At first glance, I don&#8217;t see any indication that the <em>&#8220;tons of people&#8221;</em> issue you mentioned previously has actually occurred, or that there&#8217;s been any increase in problems at all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that a specific problem doesn&#8217;t exist. After all, you&#8217;ve observed a problem of some type yourself. However, the Google search isn&#8217;t useful. If you&#8217;ve got direct links to pages that discuss the issue you referred to, please pass them on to me. I&#8217;ve got some tweaks I&#8217;ve been working on for eight years that might be helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: genewitch</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/25/la-police-union-pressuring-newspaper-to-fire-journalists/#comment-11809</link>
		<dc:creator>genewitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 06:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VOR:
http://www.google.com/search?q=firefox+3+sites+timing+out&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a 

of course, sometimes the site is just down.
in which case http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com
comes in handy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VOR:<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=firefox+3+sites+timing+out&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=firefox+3+sites+timing+out&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a</a> </p>
<p>of course, sometimes the site is just down.<br />
in which case <a href="http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com" rel="nofollow">http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com</a><br />
comes in handy</p>
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		<title>By: PB</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/25/la-police-union-pressuring-newspaper-to-fire-journalists/#comment-11808</link>
		<dc:creator>PB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 05:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He he he he he. It&#039;s called payback baby. He who pays the fiddler calls the tune. Hope those liberal cop-hating reporters&#039; butts don&#039;t get bruised as the door smacks them on the way out. Buh-bye now!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He he he he he. It&#8217;s called payback baby. He who pays the fiddler calls the tune. Hope those liberal cop-hating reporters&#8217; butts don&#8217;t get bruised as the door smacks them on the way out. Buh-bye now!!</p>
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		<title>By: JoyLeaf</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/25/la-police-union-pressuring-newspaper-to-fire-journalists/#comment-11807</link>
		<dc:creator>JoyLeaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 05:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My ability to reach the site has been intermittent for the last week. It does not seem to matter if I am using Firefox, IE or Chrome. Okay I only used IE to prove to myself that it was not my browser. I wanted to check it at the computer Lab as well but have not been up to going in so far. They have a different provider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ability to reach the site has been intermittent for the last week. It does not seem to matter if I am using Firefox, IE or Chrome. Okay I only used IE to prove to myself that it was not my browser. I wanted to check it at the computer Lab as well but have not been up to going in so far. They have a different provider.</p>
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