Comments on: Proposed “cyberbullying” House Bill is a serious threat to free speech http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/05/proposed-cyberbullying-house-bill-is-a-serious-threat-to-free-speech/ Shining a Light on First Amendment, Media and Police Issues Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:08:30 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: The Grunt http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/05/proposed-cyberbullying-house-bill-is-a-serious-threat-to-free-speech/#comment-13280 The Grunt Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:58:18 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=6311#comment-13280 It is never well meaning laws that get us in trouble. It is those who manipulate the law later to use it to our disadvantage. There is a lot I don't like on the web, but I have the right to shut it off, and yes, they have the right to be there. Remember, its not just free speach here, but free thought. You need to read Thomas Paine. The question is who desides who is a bully and what speach is hateful? If I hate the Army or Obama or Hillary or the Pope do I get arrested? Who makes the call? Homeland Security? As a veteran and gun owner I just found out I'm probably on someone's list. I'm 62, disabled and can't see, but I don't get to make the call, Ms. Napalatano does. I shouls put duct tape over my mouth. God help the second amt. It is never well meaning laws that get us in trouble. It is those who manipulate the law later to use it to our disadvantage. There is a lot I don’t like on the web, but I have the right to shut it off, and yes, they have the right to be there. Remember, its not just free speach here, but free thought. You need to read Thomas Paine. The question is who desides who is a bully and what speach is hateful? If I hate the Army or Obama or Hillary or the Pope do I get arrested? Who makes the call? Homeland Security? As a veteran and gun owner I just found out I’m probably on someone’s list. I’m 62, disabled and can’t see, but I don’t get to make the call, Ms. Napalatano does. I shouls put duct tape over my mouth. God help the second amt.

]]> By: Voice of Reason http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/05/proposed-cyberbullying-house-bill-is-a-serious-threat-to-free-speech/#comment-11301 Voice of Reason Thu, 14 May 2009 19:34:29 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=6311#comment-11301 Note to Scott Chamness: You said, <em>"you seem to have some of the most well thought out arguments on this blog that I have ever seen on the Internet".</em> Now it's my turn to say thanks. You're exaggerating. However, everybody hopes that they'll be seen this way by at least a few people, and I'm no exception. I'd like to add that I stopped by this site to say a few things that I wanted to say. When somebody does this, they don't necessarily expect people to agree with their views, but they <em>do</em> like to see responses. It's my impression that most people have dismissed my posts as uninteresting, but some people have been kind enough to engage me or at least to say a few words. That includes you (Mr. Chamness), Ariel, ALLBEDAMNED, Pinandpuller, Mr. Kerzic, "dateach", and a few others. I'd like to express my appreciation for the interactions. Note to Scott Chamness: You said, “you seem to have some of the most well thought out arguments on this blog that I have ever seen on the Internet”.

Now it’s my turn to say thanks. You’re exaggerating. However, everybody hopes that they’ll be seen this way by at least a few people, and I’m no exception.

I’d like to add that I stopped by this site to say a few things that I wanted to say. When somebody does this, they don’t necessarily expect people to agree with their views, but they do like to see responses. It’s my impression that most people have dismissed my posts as uninteresting, but some people have been kind enough to engage me or at least to say a few words.

That includes you (Mr. Chamness), Ariel, ALLBEDAMNED, Pinandpuller, Mr. Kerzic, “dateach”, and a few others. I’d like to express my appreciation for the interactions.

]]> By: Scott Chamness http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/05/proposed-cyberbullying-house-bill-is-a-serious-threat-to-free-speech/#comment-11291 Scott Chamness Thu, 14 May 2009 18:00:54 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=6311#comment-11291 Note to Voice of Reason, As you seem to have some of the most well thought out arguments on this blog that I have ever seen on the Internet, I really appreciate that. I'll defiantly be able to at least go over First Amendment somewhere in a history class, and really extensively if I'm able to teach an AP Government class or something down the line. Thanks again, :) Note to Voice of Reason,
As you seem to have some of the most well thought out arguments on this blog that I have ever seen on the Internet, I really appreciate that.

I’ll defiantly be able to at least go over First Amendment somewhere in a history class, and really extensively if I’m able to teach an AP Government class or something down the line.

Thanks again,
:)

]]> By: Voice of Reason http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/05/proposed-cyberbullying-house-bill-is-a-serious-threat-to-free-speech/#comment-11270 Voice of Reason Thu, 14 May 2009 15:35:13 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=6311#comment-11270 Note to Scott Chamness: I hope you see this, because I'd like you to know that you come across more as a teacher than as a teacher in training. The A+ in Individual Rights is promising. You don't need to average anywhere that high to graduate with honors, and honors are likely to be beneficial. As far as teaching First Amendment in classes goes, if you're teaching history per se at some point, I believe that you should be able to find room for it even at the high-school level. Note to Scott Chamness:

I hope you see this, because I’d like you to know that you come across more as a teacher than as a teacher in training.

The A+ in Individual Rights is promising. You don’t need to average anywhere that high to graduate with honors, and honors are likely to be beneficial.

As far as teaching First Amendment in classes goes, if you’re teaching history per se at some point, I believe that you should be able to find room for it even at the high-school level.

]]> By: Anton Lee http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/05/proposed-cyberbullying-house-bill-is-a-serious-threat-to-free-speech/#comment-10987 Anton Lee Sun, 10 May 2009 16:25:40 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=6311#comment-10987 Queer = weird where I come from. Of course, I pronounce it quare. Queer = weird where I come from. Of course, I pronounce it quare.

]]> By: Anon-a-Blogger http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/05/proposed-cyberbullying-house-bill-is-a-serious-threat-to-free-speech/#comment-10984 Anon-a-Blogger Sun, 10 May 2009 07:43:56 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=6311#comment-10984 In that case, I guess Perez Hilton would have a case, since Carlos called him a "queen" and a "bitch". In an ironic sense, of course, not a bullying sense. I wonder if the courts would note the irony in your post. If you had punched him in the face while calling him a queer, I think that would qualify as a hate crime. Or an "ironic crime". In that case, I guess Perez Hilton would have a case, since Carlos called him a “queen” and a “bitch”.

In an ironic sense, of course, not a bullying sense. I wonder if the courts would note the irony in your post.

If you had punched him in the face while calling him a queer, I think that would qualify as a hate crime. Or an “ironic crime”.

]]> By: Scott Chamness http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/05/proposed-cyberbullying-house-bill-is-a-serious-threat-to-free-speech/#comment-10955 Scott Chamness Sat, 09 May 2009 15:52:18 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=6311#comment-10955 Actually, it did Carlos. I cited this site in several of my papers. Thanks for that. :) Actually, it did Carlos.
I cited this site in several of my papers.
Thanks for that. :)

]]> By: Carlos Miller http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/05/proposed-cyberbullying-house-bill-is-a-serious-threat-to-free-speech/#comment-10942 Carlos Miller Sat, 09 May 2009 04:08:51 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=6311#comment-10942 Congratulations on the A+, Scott. Hopefully this site had something to do with that! Congratulations on the A+, Scott.

Hopefully this site had something to do with that!

]]> By: ALL BE DAMNED http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/05/proposed-cyberbullying-house-bill-is-a-serious-threat-to-free-speech/#comment-10941 ALL BE DAMNED Sat, 09 May 2009 03:05:20 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=6311#comment-10941 Great to hear on your A+ i do think we need more teachers able to teach about our rights and freedoms the constitution gives us and as for this law i did read more and i agree this is way to genral a law to even be considered I mean hell i am in violation of it by trying to "coerse" you into to agreeing with me by pointing this out second i would be a felon by saying the person who proposed and the people who back it are ignorent fools in the exstreme............... Great to hear on your A+
i do think we need more teachers able to teach
about our rights and freedoms the constitution gives us and as for this law i did read more and i agree this is way to genral a law to even be considered I mean hell i am in violation of it by trying to “coerse” you into to agreeing with me by pointing this out
second i would be a felon by saying the person who proposed and the people who back it are ignorent fools in the exstreme……………

]]> By: Scott Chamness http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/05/proposed-cyberbullying-house-bill-is-a-serious-threat-to-free-speech/#comment-10937 Scott Chamness Fri, 08 May 2009 23:47:16 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=6311#comment-10937 Voice of Reason, I am actually rather flattered. I'm not actually a teacher, I'm a student in a university, but I am in training to become a history teacher. About being able to discuss First Amendment issues, it would depend on what type of class I'm teaching, for instance, a law class in college, probably I would be able to. On the other hand, I wouldn't be able to talk about it really in a sociology class. Also just a note to anyone who is interested cause I'm so excited about it. A+, in Individual Rights, never had anything that high before. Thanks, Scott Chamness Voice of Reason,
I am actually rather flattered. I’m not actually a teacher, I’m a student in a university, but I am in training to become a history teacher. About being able to discuss First Amendment issues, it would depend on what type of class I’m teaching, for instance, a law class in college, probably I would be able to. On the other hand, I wouldn’t be able to talk about it really in a sociology class.

Also just a note to anyone who is interested cause I’m so excited about it. A+, in Individual Rights, never had anything that high before.

Thanks,
Scott Chamness

]]> By: Voice of Reason http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/05/proposed-cyberbullying-house-bill-is-a-serious-threat-to-free-speech/#comment-10899 Voice of Reason Fri, 08 May 2009 14:50:42 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=6311#comment-10899 Note to Scott Chamness: I don't know if you'll see this, because I'm responding two days late. However, you've said things both previously and here which suggest that you're a teacher. Is this the case? If so, are you able to discuss First Amendment issues in classes? Note to Scott Chamness: I don’t know if you’ll see this, because I’m responding two days late. However, you’ve said things both previously and here which suggest that you’re a teacher. Is this the case? If so, are you able to discuss First Amendment issues in classes?

]]> By: Scott Chamness http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/05/proposed-cyberbullying-house-bill-is-a-serious-threat-to-free-speech/#comment-10812 Scott Chamness Wed, 06 May 2009 13:36:32 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=6311#comment-10812 Yeah, this is a really bad law. It is gonna get challenged right away if it passes. There are only a few ways that the government can restrict free speech, (ie. Advocating violence or obscenity), and a broad way like this isn't one of them. By the way, I've been through every type of bullying there is, and I've just found it the easiest to go against cyberbullying. If I don't like what someone is saying, I just don't listen. Congress has obviously not taken any rides on the back of a public school bus lately, or cyberbullying would be the last thing on their minds. Yeah, this is a really bad law. It is gonna get challenged right away if it passes. There are only a few ways that the government can restrict free speech, (ie. Advocating violence or obscenity), and a broad way like this isn’t one of them.

By the way, I’ve been through every type of bullying there is, and I’ve just found it the easiest to go against cyberbullying. If I don’t like what someone is saying, I just don’t listen.
Congress has obviously not taken any rides on the back of a public school bus lately, or cyberbullying would be the last thing on their minds.

]]> By: ALL BE DAMNED http://carlosmiller.com/2009/05/05/proposed-cyberbullying-house-bill-is-a-serious-threat-to-free-speech/#comment-10802 ALL BE DAMNED Wed, 06 May 2009 06:15:56 +0000 http://carlosmiller.com/?p=6311#comment-10802 I have read thru some of the bill now that VoR has given me the Numbers and by the looks of things ANYTHING posted on the web can be considered as Harassment and or coercive including but not limited to SPAM , POP UP ADS, Ads on web sites any type of blog and other wise as everything is in some way coersive by nature to get you to buy sell and or change your opinion on something. The bill is a 1st ammendment violation waiting to happen in any case because you can say " in my opinion you need to be nutered " or something of the like in a blog and STILL be put in jail for it even though you stated the words"in my opinion" the first ammendment protects you or so i have been told by sevral lawer and Judge friends but if this law passes you might as well shut down the web Because site like ebay and amazon are coersing you to buy buy buy and should be shut down Ok i am done rainting but look at the law its all against the first ammendment. I have read thru some of the bill now that VoR has given me the Numbers and by the looks of things ANYTHING posted on the web can be considered as Harassment and or coercive including but not limited to SPAM , POP UP ADS, Ads on web sites any type of blog and other wise as everything is in some way coersive by nature to get you to buy sell and or change your opinion on something. The bill is a 1st ammendment violation waiting to happen in any case because you can say ” in my opinion you need to be nutered ” or something of the like in a blog and STILL be put in jail for it even though you stated the words”in my opinion” the first ammendment protects you or so i have been told by sevral lawer and Judge friends but if this law passes you might as well shut down the web Because site like ebay and amazon are coersing you to buy buy buy and should be shut down
Ok i am done rainting but look at the law its all against the first ammendment.

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