Update: El Paso Police Chief says Sgt. Raul Ramirez may have overreacted.
By Carlos Miller
Two ABC-7 reporters covering a crash on Interstate 10 were arrested by an agitated cop.
The reporters had pulled up to the scene of an overturned truck from the opposite side of the freeway.
They had parked in the emergency lane where several cars were already parked. They started interviewing people who had witnessed the accident.
But an El Paso Police officer could not fathom the idea that a couple of journalists had arrived on the scene and accused them of interfering with an investigation, even though they were on the other side of the fence.
The officer had to jump the fence in order to arrest them, even though they were fully cooperating.
Reporter Darren Hunt and videographer Ric Dupont were handcuffed and transported to a command center where they were released within minutes.
The cop’s name is apparently Sgt. Ramirez, judging from some of the comments in the ABC–7 article.
After reading all of the previous comments, I think it’s funny how the people defending the officer refer to him as Sgt. Ramirez, whereas his name is never mentioned during the newscast nor in the article. These are obviously fellow cops or family members stepping up to defend their friend/colleague. Unlike the general public, by law police officers do not have a duty to retreat in times of a confrontation. Having given the cop that much, officers must be able to exercise appropriate restraint and professionalism when conducting their duties, and this supervisory officer seriously lacked both qualities. Darren is a journalist and therefore is allowed access not afforded to civilians to crime scenes, war zones, etc.; not by local or state law, but by international laws. Sorry fellow cops, but your boy was caught with his pants down on camera and all of El Paso knows it.
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Fernandez, as I mentioned in a 
i would love to see wha tthe PD has to say about this..
The article says they are conducting an investigation. I bet it’s on the cop, not on the reporters.
“It’s unfortunate that any time the member of the public or the news media feels that they’ve been treated unfairly by any member of our department, and so, that’s a very serious type of allegation – something that we have to ensure that we investigate completely, and that’s what we’re doing here and conducting an investigation,” said El Paso police spokesman Javier Sambrano said.
Cue the whitewash committee.
This cop is out of control and a danger to society. If he can allow his emotions to take control of him in such a static and passive situation as a reporter videotaping an accident scene, from a secure area on the opposite side of the center median, then this cop is likely to have done worse things when under extremely emotional conditions. This cop should be investigated, not only for this incident, for his entire tenure as a police officer, because the adds are, if he angers this easily in such a passive and controlled situation, I would hate to see what he does in a more aggressive situation.
This kind of stuff is UNWARRANTED and UNLAWFUL! There is difference between a LAWFUL ORDER and an UNLAWFUL ORDER and this is ABUSE UNDER THE COLOR OF LAW a FEDERAL FELONY.
This cop reminds me of the Baltimore PSYCHOPATH that was caught beating up on a kid for calling him DUDE and an investigation found he has a history of outrageous and unlawful acts under the color of law.
The reporter should have listened to the officer as soon as the officer told him to leave.
The officer has a hard enough job as it is.
Nonsense… the reporter was doing his job and the officer had no reason to ask him to leave.
I am a photojournlaist and I have a Police Press Pass that allows me to cross police lines, I had to be photographed, fingerprinted and sign waivers that no matter what happened, no matter whose fault, I could not hold the city or the police department liable, so there is no reason for me, nor any other reporter to be removed from the scene of an accident. We are trained professionals, are not DAREDEVILS and understand caution and hazards associated wtih an accident scene. The cop went PSYCHO and that is an unsafe and unfit police officer. PERIOD!
That cop was way out of line.
First, he jumps over the fence, so how can it be interfering with an investigation if there is a fence dividing them.
Also, there are other people standing along the same area, so why are the reporters being singled out?
And then around 1:20 into the video, the cop pulls the guy away from the truck, then yells at him to get his hands on the truck.
I agree with Dizeman. If this is the way he acts when he knows he is being filmed, imagine how he acts when he thinks there are no cameras around?
It’s hard to believe this guy made it to sergeant. Well, actually, no it’s not.
What’s interesting is that the police officer’s behavior is inscrutable if you assume he merely wants the reporter to comply with his order. The reporter was walking toward his truck when the officer ran after him and grabbed his trousers. Then the officer asked the reporter if he wanted to be arrested. The reporter replied no, he’d like to go (thus obeying the order). So the officer arrested him.
The only way to make sense of the officer’s behavior is to assume he wanted deference more than he wanted compliance.
Why did this retard cop flip out? Do these cops not feel any shame for arresting local TV reporters for reporting on THE NEWS?
the bulldogs chuckles @ David
I have to agree with David.
That reporter should have listened to the cop right away. He does have a hard job. How can he get back to his tax-payer endorsed donut eating contest when that reporter is there flubbing up his covering up of evidence?
We can’t have reporters running around filming officers committing their little tiny felonies. If this gets out, we might find people thinking it’s ok to commit real crimes and not just the ones that the officers have to conjure up on the arrest sheet.
“Don’t make me put down this donut and come after you!”
How many times does this reporter have to be told to “get in his truck and leave”? He was given a lawful directive at least 5 times to leave an area where he should not have been to begin with. The news media frequently over-steps their own bounds by thinking that they can ignore, disobey or disregard police officers, traffic barriers, crime scene tape, or whatever else because they “have a job to do”. After being ordered to leave multiple times, Mr. Hunt has the nerve to ignore Sgt. Ramirez and say, “We need to interview this guy”. Then to argue with the officer by saying that his camera man can, “shoot if he wants to”. Mr. Hunt could have kept that entire episode from happening if he had approached the officer and asked respectfully, “Excuse me, Sarge….where do you have the media staging for this incident?” Or, “Excuse me, sir…will it be ok to get some video from here?” Sgt. Ramirez, who is well-respected and very professional, would not have had to react the way he did if Mr. Hunt had not over-stepped his bounds. If the police tell you to do something, do it the first time. If you think they were wrong, go to the station later and state your mind then…respectfully. The police have a job to do, and it becomes even harder when discourteous drivers, news media and others who don’t pay attention complicate matters at an already tense scene.
This officer has had poor training. How did that videotape survive the arrest?
I diagnose little man’s syndrome.
Jason,
I’m assuming you are a cop because you refer to the officer as Sgt. Ramirez even though his name was never mentioned in the article or video.
The reporter did not overstep his boundaries. Contrary to what you would like to believe, a reporter does not have to ask permission from police before they do their job.
In this case, there was no crime tape. There were several other civilians in the same area, so the reporters had every right to be there.
And it’s true, the camera man can “shoot if he wants to”.
So when the reporter told him that, he was just telling the truth.
Cops like to believe that they can order people to do whatever they want, but that is not true.
They are not allowed to give unlawful orders.
And I’m sick of this bullshit about police having such a hard job. That’s just a cop-out, no pun intended.
That cop neglected his duties to go after a couple of news reporters who were not breaking the law.
What an embarrassment to the El Paso PD.
And yet, you guys will stand by him and defend his actions even though everybody see’s the truth.
Don’t you think it’s time that cops start earning respect rather than try to bully it out of people?
Ramirez deserves to be stripped of his sergeant stripes because he obviously cannot handle a little power.
Why is there always this idea that this “bad cop” should just lose his job? Why not prison? He was guilty of assault, kidnapping, property damage, violating civil rights and official oppression (US 18 code § 242) – and some of those while using a public vehicle. If you want to follow the logic: He also should be convicted of grandtheft auto. He only had permission to use that vehicle as an officer and since he was a trespasser abinitio, he was a criminal, which means he had to right to use the vehicle.
I would stand to guess that he went back and lied on his report.
And the judge, when sentencing, should use the words “general population.”
I was once a cop and I find this ones actions an embarrassment. I find the defenders of his actions to be also. Fire him, the rest go grow up and develop some professionalism.
Since when is a lawful directive interpreted as “anything the cops says”?
Note to “sobe”: You said, Cue the whitewash committee. The correct term is code or Code of Silence.
Note to Carlos Miller: You said to Jason, I’m assuming you are a cop because you refer to the officer as Sgt. Ramirez even though his name was never mentioned in the article or video.
Jason also said that Sgt. Ramirez is well-respected and very professional. That’s an oddly specific assessment. If Sgt. Ramirez doesn’t have a nation-wide reputation, or if his reputation isn’t posted on a LEO BBS somewhere, it’s possible that Jason knows Sgt. Ramirez personally or that they have acquaintances in common.
If this is the case, perhaps Jason might be able to comment further, unless he’s been ordered to remain silent about the case.
Note to Simon Jester: You said, Since when is a lawful directive interpreted as “anything the cops say”?
You appear to be confusing expected or advisable and lawful.
If Sgt. Ramirez doesn’t have a nation-wide reputation,
I think he does now. Or at least will have one by the end of tomorrow when this video spreads through the internet.
Note to Mark Jackson: You said, Why is there always this idea that this “bad cop” should just lose his job? Why not prison?
As a general rule, LEOs don’t go to prison even for “throwdowns” (i.e., planted weapons) or even for filmed torture killings where the victim begs not to be killed. It’s ridiculous to offer the suggestion that they should be jailed for lesser offenses. It’s more productive simply to call attention to this kind of thing. If the spotlight is applied for a sufficient period of time, this should be beneficial. In my opinion, publicity acts as a type of disinfectant.
Note to Carlos Miller: You said, I think Sgt. Ramirez does have a nation-wide reputation now. Or at least will have one by the end of tomorrow when this video spreads through the internet.
That seems a bit vindictive. However, under the circumstances, it’s not uncalled-for. Additionally, he might not be impacted greatly by this and might even see it as a backhanded honor of sorts.
What was that reporter doing that was directly impeding the police officer’s duty. The police officer stepped away from what he was charged to do as a CIVIL SERVANT and took on the role of an SS STORM TROOPER. Anything he says is lawful to him and unfortunately it will be backed up by his fellow officers… that is how it works in THE REAL WORLD, think not, then you are naive.
They have been given clear leeway to abuse the system and the citizens. Here in Nevada under Nevada Revised Statutes and in Federal Statutes the laws say clearly that a police officer has a right to ask the name of an individual for identification purposes and it is unlawful for the citizen to refuse giving information that identifies the subject. But, the law also clearly states that it is NOT unlawful for a citizen to refuse answering questions outside of those questions that establish identification of the subject.
YET! Go ahead, give it a shot and see what happens. Tell a cop that you will give your name and personal identification but you will not and are not obligated by law to answer an y more of his questions and I will bet you a shiny new dime that you are arrested.
Oh… you will not be arrested for not giving information outside the scope of the failure to identify. The cops will MAKE UP or USE OTHER violations.
Here in Nevada they use a common device called, “Causing the delay of a police officer in the performance of his duty.” because you took too long to answer a question you were not legally obligated to answer, the cop will arrest you for wasting his time. The longer he asks you the unlawful question, the longer he will say you wasted his time and you will indeed be jailed.
They also leave the door wide open with the FAILURE TO COMPLY law which is virtually a right to do whatever they want. They will tell you to stop resisting even though you are not resisting at all, because when they get in court they can tell the Judge or the Jury that they repeated over and over again for you to stop resisting and you did not comply, even though you never resisted them at all.
Video cameras are catching more and more of this abuse of citizens by cops charged with protecting those they are now abusing.
I remember when cops were the good guys, but something is going horribly wrong. If you think not, then you are naive.
More and more people are scared to call a cop when they need help, because in many cases just like this video shows, you don’t have to do something wrong to go to jail, you only have to piss off a cop.
Want to go to jail RIGHT NOW… tell a cop you know what your rights are under the law. If they do not tell you, “ARE YOU A LAWYER! YOU THINK YOU KNOW THE LAW BETTER THAN ME.. A COP?” Any answer you give will very likely piss off the cop and you will go to jail.
I have witnessed this many times.
I reported a cop that I watched steal a pair of gloves off of a friend’s motorcycle, the motorcycle cop looked at the gloves, smiled as to say, “NICE GLOVES… THINK I WILL!” and then he took the gloves. When I reported it to IAB, the cop in the office told me he was not going to believe my word against another cop and when I smiled as recognition that I understood that, he screamed that he would arrest me if I smiled again. AND HE WOULD HAVE! Not for smiling, it was he and I alone in a room, he would have created some scenario and every cop on the force would have backed him in his charge. BEST BET IN VEGAS!
Of course the job of being a police officer is hard work.
Of course the job of being a police officer depands you endure stresses that perhaps a shoe salesman does not have to endure.
Of course the job of being a cop places you in situations where emotions are high and your adrenaline is pumping.
Of course the job of being a cop is dangerous work, but statistically, working at a Convenience Store is more dangerous than being a cop and Crabbing in the Bering Strait is even more dangerous than either.
But nobody told cops it would be an easy job, a gravy train, just show up and drive around and collect a paycheck.
Nobody told cops their job would not be stressful.
And likewise, nobody told cops because they are overstressed it is okay for them to abuse the public and commit some of the very crimes against persons they are charged by law to protect citizens against.
So legally, ethically, morally, SENSIBLY, nothing about a cop’s job being hard or stressful gives them the right to abuse the citizens they are charged with protecting.
If the cop cannot handle all of those dangers, stress levels, work-loads, horrible things a cop sees in a career… IF HE CANNOT HANDLE ALL OF THOSE THINGS WITHOUT FLYING OFF THE HANDLE AND LOSING CONTROL AND HURTING THE VERY PEOPLE HE IS CHARGED WITH PROTECTING… THEN HE SHOULD NOT BE A COP… he should start selling shoes.
All those horrible things cops go through do not JUSTIFY abusing citizens as many cops do.
Any RATIONALIZATION of stress excusing PSYCHO BEHAVIOR is just that… RATIONALIZATION!
If you AS MANY DEFENDING COPS DO… see an US against THEM rationalization, then something has gone horribly wrong and when cops start justifying immoral, unethical, illegal behavior of cops by saying the cop was stressed or angry, then we are in serious trouble as a nation.
Note to Dizeman: You said, Of course the job of being a cop is dangerous work, but statistically, working at a Convenience Store is more dangerous than being a cop.
I’m not sure that you’re correct about the convenience store statistics. However, I seem to recall that it’s more dangerous to be a dentist than a police officer. If this is true, it’s related to stress levels. Dentists are fairly stressed. Additionally, they apparently have a tendency to skip breaks.
After watching the video I “could” believe that a “sgt.” Could act that way!! I know some retired police officers and they have mentioned how many officers within the department lack professionalism. Many have chips on their shoulders, or go on power trips and even treat their fellow officers in the same disrespectful way. They should honestly hold classes for them on how to act appropriately with the public and their fellow officers! They also need to learn how to help deescalate situations instead of provoking,… or rather making things worse than they really are. For the few police who do know how to be professional and respectful, I commend you on your outstanding performance, and thank you for your service.
I would like to see the whole video, unedited. This only shows the end result.
Doesn’t matter what the rest of the video shows. What the video does show in this clip is that the officer is PSYCHO!
NOTHING the reporter did should cause a trained police officer to lose control. In fact, the charge of the police office is to maintain control under stressful situations. If a cop cannot maintain his self control and not allow his emotions to enter into his work, then he should find other work. That is not an option as a police officer, it is a requirement.
Did this police department not conduct a psychological profile/evaluation?
I agree with Nancy, they should hold classes for police officers like this… classes on how to look for another job more suited to their emotional state and abusive personality.
Cops slip into a GOD COMPLEX sometimes. They imagine they can say and do anything they want and unfortunately, fellow officers, even their superiors and some Judges allow this to take place which just compounds and escalates the problem.
But, the fact is… state and federal statutes clearly define what a cop can say and do when there is no reason to believe a crime has been committed.
If you are walking down the street without participating in suspicous activity (though a cop can and will, legally or not declare you as suspicous and get away with it.) a police officer BY LAW is restricted in what he can say and do to you. Federal and Nevada law state anytime a police officer wants, they can ask you for identification and legally you are obligated to provide it.
BUT as stated above in an earlier post, THAT is the limit of what the cop can LEGALLY ask you. Anything beyond that is in direct violation of a number of federal and state laws. As Americans we are guaranteed the freedom of movement without interference by government. But don’t tell a cop that, you will go to jail if you profess to know ANYTHING about the law. I’ve seen it happen perhaps a dozen times.
Watching cops closely, on location as a journalist for three decades I can tell you, there are way too many cops that should never have been allowed to wear a badge and a gun.
Am I a cop hater? Absolutely not, my best friend in the world is a retired LVMPD police officer, I socialize with close to a dozen police officers, both active and retired.
But the cops I associate with are the good guys, even they recognize there are bad cops among them.
My friend and I have been with him on duty, also used to listen to him on my police scanner… he had a policy that if he pulled you over for a tail light, speeding, any misdemeanor violation, he decided before he got out of the car what the charge would be and you could call him names, you could be disrespectful, you could do anything but spit on him and you would not be punished except for the reason he stopped you.
He said he understand the stress of being pulled over by a cop, for some it is emotional, others it is financial concerns and he knows they probably don’t like cops, but he did not stop them for any of that, he stopped them for speeding or missing tail light etc… and that and only that is what they would be ticketed for.
I heard a man calling him names, a pig etc in the background when he keyed his radio mic late one night while listening to my scanner and I was sure this guy was going to jail, but my friend cited him for speeding and let him go without further charges of disorderly conduct or failure to comply which are the cop’s favorite ass kickers. When I saw my friend the next day I asked him what happened and he said he cited the guy for 20 over the posted and let him go. I stated that he took a lot of abuse and his response was, “Yeah, but you know… the guy was stressed and upset and I understand that… I stopped him for speeding and that is what I cited him for, no biggie!”
I watched a guy get arrested for looking at a police officer. The officer told the guy to look away and not look at him, the cop asked a question and when the guy turned and looked at the cop to answer the question, the cop yelled, “I told you to look away and not look at me!” the guy looked away again, then another question, the guy looked at the cop and the cop slammed his face in the hood of the police car and arrested him.
Of course he was not arrested for looking at a police officer, he was arrested for failure to comply, disorderly conduct, refusing a lawful order, and assaulting a police officer. I know how this works, if he turns to look at the cop or moves his shoulder, the cop declares that was an assault (defined as any threatening action or movement) of course this charge will be dropped later in trade for a plea of guilty to the lesser charges. That is the trick they use in court. If you plead guilty to the lesser charges they drop the MANUFACTURED greater charge and people jump to sign the guilty declaration.
When cops use tricks to trap honest people… something has gone horribly wrong in our society and we are in big trouble.
The number one defensce police chiefs and cops offer against culpable videos like the one above is that the public has not seen the entire video.
Fact is… if an officer has a suspect in custody, on the ground, with hands cuffed behind his back and the suspect is laying there, not moving in the video, NOTHING in any preceding video justifies, makes legal, allows, makes okay the officer punching the suspect in the head 20 times or kicking him 10 times.. he is cuffed, not resisting and under CONTROL which means the cop is no longer allowed BY LAW any agressive action against the suspect.
Doesn’t matter he he robbed a bank, kicked a puppy, call the cop’s wife a Ho… NOTHING warrants violent or pyshical action by a police officer once the suspect is CONTROLLED.
The CHARGE of the police is to Identify, Confront, Contain and Control… once the suspect is in control, they are required by law to be SAFELY transported to jail, because… remember that little ditty the Bill of Rights Guarantees? “Innocent until proven guilty by their peers in a court of law!”
But… those suffering from the GOD COMPLEX pay no attention to such details of the law. THEY make the law on-scene. And I have heard cops yell that very thing, “I’m the law… I make the rules… I tell you when to inhale and exhale and your job is to listen and do what I tell you… do you understand? Do you understand? Do you understand?” Been there, seen and heard that myself!
That cop should be tazed in the nuts to calm him down! How did he sneak across our borders???????
Example… what could this woman POSSIBLY have done to deserve to be beaten to a bloody pulp by police officers. These big, brawny men, equipped with pepper spray, tasers, shields coudl not contain this woman without beating her nearly to death??? If not they should not be cops. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMOLf02YL0
Her injuries were caused when she fell and injured herself? BEAT TO A PULP?? Anyone making that statement should be fired and arrested for conspiracy for covering up a crime.
The Chief seems to get it.
…”When you have the media and the public mingling together – definitely – if one is interfering then that means all of them are interfering. So if general citizens of the community are being allowed to stand by and watch what’s going on, then the media should have as well.”
Sgt. Ramirez needs a couple of unpaid weeks for an attitude adjustment.
Of course he could just begin by following the oath of office he swore to.
Duane Kerzic said, Sgt. Ramirez needs a couple of unpaid weeks for an attitude adjustment.
PalmCoaster said, That cop should be tazed in the nuts to calm him down!
Dizeman said, Anyone making that statement should be fired and arrested for conspiracy for covering up a crime.
Roger (a LEO himself) said, Fire him.
Mr. Kerzic has suggested the only alternative that’s a realistic possibility, and even he hasn’t pointed out what needs to be done to make it happen. The rest of you are simply venting. That’s enjoyable, and it makes you feel better, but it doesn’t change anything except possibly for your blood pressure.
May I offer a suggestion? It’s something quite obvious. However, I haven’t seen the issue discussed so far in these forums. Then again, I haven’t worked my way through the archives yet, so perhaps I’ve missed discussions about the issue.
I’ve observed discussions about inappropriate actions in other forums. Not First Amendment or police-related forums, but discussions about abuses of other types that needed to be dealt with. People felt quite strongly about some of the abuses, and they did something that produced results. The results were quite satisfactory. It was good to read about them.
Administrative contact information, phone numbers, E-mail addresses, snail-mail addresses, and things of that nature were posted. Everything that was available. People were encouraged to contact parties in authority and to ask, “Why are you, personally, allowing this? Why are you covering this up? And, by the way, your answer is going to be part of the public record. I’m going to post it immediately, and people will read your response. Please tell me what you, personally, are going to do about this. I’d like to know if you, personally, are for or against the actions that were taken. Which is it? What is your response, please?”
I’m not referring to things such as harassment, illegal threats, or other actions that damage the credibility of people who are seeking to address serious abuses of authority. I’m referring to the specific statements that I’ve listed above.
Police departments will shrug off communications of this type initially. In some cases, they will be less than polite about it. However, if pressure reaches the point where embarrassment becomes a significant factor, this will produce appropriate results.
Most of the posters I’ve seen here are sensible people in RL. You don’t really want to see the officer involved in this case tazed in the nuts. An ounce of RL consequences is worth a pound of fantasy. If you make the effort to produce even minor consequences, you’ll be satisfied with that. It’ll be something real, and that’s important.
Yeah… there’s no problem with cops… it’s all the citizens just making up charges.
The officer, attorney, chief who suggested the woman in the following video fell and injured herself should be arrested and charged with conspiracy to cover up a felony.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IObSc3mGWw&feature=related
If you are a police officer and you cannot find a way to control an 87 year-old frail man without stomping him into the ground, then you should not be a cop. PERIOD!!! Video below! Yes it is Canadian but it shows a systemic problem with what is clearly excessive abuse, not required to contain a citizen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AifNtVAw_Zg&feature=related
It’s like the cop’s brain disassociates from reality… this video shows a cop intentionally running over another cop in order to down a suspect. Rather than get out of his car and catch the bad guy that is running right at him, the cop thought that running over both of them was the better decisions. YES THINGS HAPPEN IN A SPLIT SECOND… COPS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TRAINED TO THINK AND MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS… otherwise, otherwise, OTHERWISE… they should not be cops. They should be selling shoes at Payless. There, you get time to think about the decisions you make. THIS VIDEO IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE! He could not use the car as a block, he could not get off his ass and chase the guy running at him, he found running over and possibly ending the career of a fellow police officer THE WISER DECISION????? The ONLY people who can defend such actions are either emotionally disturbed or intellectually vacant or… well, there aren’t any other rational reasons to justify this kind of thinking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rfW-spSG94&feature=related
AS DRAMATIC AS IT APPEARS, I BEING A REALIST AND NOT A COP HATER… SUPPORT THE ACTION TAKEN IN THE FOLLOWING VIDEO! THE GUY HAD A KNIFE, REFUSED A DOZEN COMMANDS TO DROP THE KNIFE and THE OFFICER IN THE CAR USED THE CAR AS A TOOL TO PROTECT OTHER OFFICERS AND RATHER THAN USE LETHAL FORCE, THE DISABLING CONTAINMENT OF THE VEHICLE PROTECTED ALL INVOLVED.
THE GUY IS ON THE GROUND CUFFED, CLEARLY HAS BEEN CONTAINED AND CONTROLLED AND YET THE COP IS NOT SATISFIED AND BURIES HIS KNEE IN THE BACK OF THE SUSPECT’S NECK… UNCALLED FOR VIOLENCE AGAINST CITIZENS. Might be the baddest guy in the town, but he is contained and controlled and from that point on, LEGALLY the cop’s job becomes to protect him from harm and provide him a safe transport to jail… CUZ… Remember that BILL OF RIGHTS thang???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjY-TAMD3Eg&feature=related
IF A DOZEN COPS CANNOT SAFELY TAKE CONTROL OF THIS WOMAN, THEN THEY SHOULD NOT BE COPS… THEY SHOULD BE… YES… SHOE SALESMEN. WHAT ON EARTH DID COPS DO BEFORE THEY HAD TASERS?????? HOW ON EARTH DID THEY MANAGE TO SUBDUE AND CONTROL A 130 POUND WOMAN BEFORE THEY HAD TASERS TO DO THEIR JOB????? IT IS SYSTEMIC OF SOMETHING THAT IS GOING HORRIBLY WRONG IN AMERICA. VIDEO BELOW! Is the woman an asshole? PROBABLY! But, NO, she does not deserve to be tasered multiple times for a MISDEMEANOR!!!! A CITABLE OFFENSE!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USAEABEE_xc&feature=PlayList&p=F7855E1DF0027662&index=0&playnext=1
AGAIN, in the next two videos of the same event, different angles… it is not that the woman did not deserve to go to jail, SHE MAY VERY WELL BE GUILTY OF ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THEY CHARGED HER WITH, but, but, but… did her actions WARRANT the excessive force applied by the cops. WATCH THE BODY LANGUAGE OF THE COP IN THE BLUE SHIRT PRIOR TO THE EVENT… HE IS COOKING EMOTIONALLY, HE IS OUT OF CONTROL, HIS ADRENALINE IS PUMPING SO HIGH HE CANNOT THINK STRAIGHT… otherwise, he might have considered the SAFETY of the innocent woman sitting in the center isle chair who was thrown violently into a couter edge when the over excited cop threw the suspect on top of her. WHEN YOU ARE THAT EMOTOINALLY CHARGED YOU DO NOT THINK STRAIGHT and that is what a cop is supposed to be trained for or… he should find another job. PRO WRESTLING PERHAPS.
Watch both videos below and you will see the cop in the blue shirt was itching to slam this girl, before she even did anything to warrant such an action if indeed she ever did. Are we REALLY saying these three or four cops were threatened by the slight movement of this woman? Really? They were FORCED to body slam her to the ground, in doing so knocking an innocent bystander to chest first into a counter edge risking serious injury or death to somebody not even involved? IS THAT REALLY WHAT DEFENDERS WILL DEFEND???? IF SO… WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE AS A NATION! WATCH THE GUY IN THE BLUE SHIRT… OUT OF CONTROL BEFORE ANYTHING EVEN BEGINS. He could not wait to slam somebody. His state of mind should be investigated before somebody gets seriously hurt or killed. Could have been the innocent bystander he slammed into a couter edge. ACCIDENT? Of course not… it did not have to happen.
WHATEVER this woman/suspect did, it was on this day less dangerous, less violent, less likely to cause damage or injury to the citizens of this airport than the actions of the cops themselves. THIS is when there is a problem! When cops become the threat to safety. When cops through their UNNECESSARY ACTION become a SAFETY THREAT OR DANGER TO SOCIETY. The woman being restrained was not the threat to the safety and welfare of the citizens in the airport, she was contained and controlled. THE COPS were the only threat to the safety and welfare of the innocent citizens of that airport, clearly evident in the video where the UNNECESSARY action of the cop caused a bystander potential harm and injury when she was slammed against a counter edge. SOMEBODY IS NOT THINKING!!! They feel they can do what they want, so why not do it! It is a condition not exclusive to cops, but should be controlled when somebody has a gun and authority under the law.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjffAE5iq-s&feature=PlayList&p=F7855E1DF0027662&index=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPNmxZwhMag&feature=PlayList&p=F7855E1DF0027662&index=10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQDuDoksZJU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6BsZUuZmr4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lseu0v9qkVU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p53ky3RIjfU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFebJiiK-EU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcWEk9gUy4o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvr3dWU4no8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB0k2gHLKHA&feature=related
JUDGE SAYS THIS IS CRAZY….
See video below..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKppgYEVsis&feature=PlayList&p=F7855E1DF0027662&index=2
Cops have to arrest a FIVE YEAR OLD, because school employees are incapable of disciplining a five year old??? Slap me and tell me this is not the America we live in today. Call the friggin parents, spank an ass and set them in a corner. HEY! that worked in 1492 America throughout 1990 America, but all of a sudden we have to call cops to arrest five year olds?
It’s simply stunning how far America has fallen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_Ig34hQQXo&feature=related
I have to stop, not because there is not more information validating my view that something has gone horribly wrong in AMERICANA in regard to how cops are increasingly becoming out of control and a threat to the citizenry of this nation.
When citizens fear calling a cop… something has gone horribly wrong!
Carlos is very aware of my activism on contacting people regarding incidents that I read about and that happen to me.
The last item I personally took action on is the happening in at the Liberty Memorial. I wrote to several people concerning the actions of the security guards there. Here is the list: Department of Justice, United States Attorney General’s Office, Civil Rights Division, Criminal Division; The Director of the Parks and Recreation Department of the City of Kansas City; and National World War I Museum at Liberty Memorial, Vice President of Communications.
The museum is going to look into the activities of the security guards with regards to the videographers. This leads me to believe you will not be bothered for taking video there in the future.
I tend to not post about my activities like this because I’m not looking for cheerleaders. This site also isn’t about what actions I’m taking but about what was done.
Oh… forgot to include this video which I support the action of the cops in this case… See above comment for details.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y83oEixwOlw
As a NPA Award Winning Photojournalist for over 30 years, I have seen many incidents of police abuse. As I described in an incident where I witnessed a motorcycle cop steal gloves off of a traffic violator’s motorcycle seat, when I attempted to report it to Internal Affairs I was threatened and told if I so much as smiled I would be arrested.
The entire time in the IAB office was spent trying to defend my being there and fending off sarcasms, innuendo and outright threats by the officer I was speaking with.
It was immediately clear, I was not welcome, nor was any complaint going to be accepted, filed or acted upon, the only thing that was going to happen was that he was going to find reason for me to be arrested and in a room where he and I (and the biker whom had his gloves stolen) were the only witnesses to what happened next, he certainly would have gotten away with anything he decided to do, legal or otherwise. BEST BET IN VEGAS!
Again… most of my friends are cops… but they are quite different than the cops we are talking about. There are GOOD COPS!!!! But we don’t need to talk about them, they are doing what they are charged with doing and are no threat to society. KUDOS to them.
This topic is about bad cops.
I am sure there is another forum for GOOD COPS DOING WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO!
Probably hosted by… COPS!
Duane Kerzic said, Carlos is very aware of my activism on contacting people regarding incidents that I read about and that happen to me… This site also isn’t about what actions I’m taking but about what was done.
Mr. Kerzic’s first point is related to individual courage, initiative, and possibly heroism. That’s important, more important than Mr. Kerzic may understand, but I’m referring to group action.
Mr. Kerzic’s second point isn’t directly connected to group action, but it addresses a related issue. He’s correct, in that this site per se is about reporting on incidents that deserve attention, as opposed to coordinating group action. However, I don’t see why the posters who say things like tazed in the nuts couldn’t put their energies to more productive use. If they’re going to post things like this, perhaps they’d like to take constructive action that might actually accomplish something.
The forums should be generally aligned with the goals of the site, but I fail to understand why they couldn’t be used to coordinate appropriate actions. Certainly, inappropriate or illegal communications should be strongly discouraged. As I’ve indicated, I’ve seen this kind of thing done before, and it did produce positive results. The steps taken had more of a useful and lasting effect on society than a rant about tazed in the nuts.
Mr. Kerzic also said, I tend to not post about my activities like this because I’m not looking for cheerleaders.
My response is, forgive me for disagreeing, but you should post about activities like this, and you should be looking for cheerleaders. People need to how this sort of thing can be approached and what is, or is not, possible.
Dizeman has explained that he’s attempted individual action, and the results haven’t been as positive as he might have hoped for. This doesn’t appear to address or weaken my point. Group action is generally more effective than individual action, because it’s more likely to produce embarrassment where embarrassment is called for. This is a tribal, or “standing”, issue.
As a side note, Dizeman has also said, This topic is about bad cops. I’m not convinced that this is the case. I believe that this topic is about about “cops” who have difficulties understanding the fact that their authority has boundaries, in particular, boundaries related to journalism and the First Amendment. However, either way, action should be taken.
I’ll note that Dizeman and I appear to be of an age. If that’s the case, I’ll add that no disrespect is intended here.
Note to Duane Kerzic: I’d like to thank you for responding to post 37 on this thread. It was good to see some responses (yours and, apparently, Dizeman’s). I’m just passing through, but I’d hoped to engage a larger number of posters while I was here.
I’ve found it interesting to observe Mr. Miller and you personally, because from one perspective, you belong to different tribes, and from another perspective, your tribes overlap. As I’ve explained to Mr. Miller, I was born and raised in the Conservative Cave. That kind of ambiguity usually wasn’t an issue. People were “good” (i.e., they owned Bibles, they believed in God, and they belonged to your tribe), or they were “bad” (i.e., they didn’t own Bibles, they believed in dinosaurs, and they belonged to the other tribe). It’s possible that you find your interactions with Mr. Miller interesting. If you make an attempt to draw the appropriate Venn diagram, you’ll see what I’m referring to.
I’ve also found you interesting because of a particular issue related to RL. However, as I’ve said before, this isn’t the appropriate place to discuss it, whether or not Mr. Miller is flexible. I do feel the need to say that you met all of your responsibilities and that it would be inappropriate and counterproductive for you to focus excessively on what you could, or could not, have done.
Note to Dizeman: You said, Cops have to arrest a FIVE YEAR OLD, because school employees are incapable of disciplining a five year old??? Slap me and tell me this is not the America we live in today. Call the friggin parents, spank an ass and set them in a corner. HEY! that worked in 1492 America throughout 1990 America, but all of a sudden we have to call cops to arrest five year olds?
I’ve noticed that this kind of thing has been occurring frequently since the mid-1990s. I’ve alluded to it in these forums. The point that I’ve made, and that I stand by, is that policies are directed towards minimizing exposure to litigation as opposed to doing things that make sense. It’s all about shifting responsibility to somebody else.
VoR I do feel the need to say that you met all of your responsibilities and that it would be inappropriate and counterproductive for you to focus excessively on what you could, or could not, have done.
Since Carlos is so generous in letting us get off track here I’ll address what you’re talking about. I also going to do something that might piss Carlos off but I don’t think it will.
VoR is talking about when I lost my youngest brother Kevin to suicide on Sept. 19, 2006. I wrote on my personal pages about the days leading up to learning he had passed away. He didn’t return my calls for 10 days and I was very concerned about his well being after about 5 days of not hearing back. So at the time I wrote that I he wouldn’t allow me the chance to try to help him at that time. Some people take this as an expression of guilt. I don’t get the feeling that VoR is taking it this way. It was supposed to be more a statement of powerlessness in light of what happened. Something over which I would have liked to have some power but over which no one can have power. So in recognition of this lack of power I’m doing what I can to help others.
I work on raising money for the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, afsp.org. This is the only group like it in the country. They raise money for research, work to remove the stigma of mental illness and mood disorders, do out reach for survivors and involve survivors in achieving these goals. All the information about them is on their website. The fact that they involve survivors is what attracted me to the AFSP.
Now for the part that might piss Carlos off because I’m shamelessly soliciting. Maybe Carlos will write an article about it so there is a place for this. The major event for the AFSP is the Out of the Darkness Overnight. It’s a walk that starts at sunset and finishes at sunrise so it’s literally and figuratively out of the darkness. This year it’s in Chicago on June 27-28 starting and ending in Soldier’s Field. This will be my third year or participation in the Overnight. The previous two years I worked in motorcycle safety and signed up volunteers for the ms crew. When I didn’t have other responsibilities I took photographs. This year I’ll be working as an event photographer only and raising money and awareness in transportation companies. For instance I’ve gotten Amtrak to provide a discount for people traveling to the event. I’ve been working on getting the BLE-T and the UTU to encourage members to walk. I’m in the process of contacting the freight railroads to make donations. I’m contacting the Chicago RTA to set up something. I have a small fund raising page at http://overnight.duanek.name. It’s too small to contain all the info about what I’m doing to work on this.
OK shameless self promotion over.
Wow. The law enforcement people are really getting out of control. They have forgotten that they are servants of the citizens. They run around beating and shooting people who are laying face down on the ground. I am so happy I now live in Japan and will never come back to the U.S. I suggest everyone get out of the country and let law enforcement police themselves. I regret that I still have to pay taxes to support that kind of stuff. Oh well, the final laugh is not on me, as I spend all of my military retirement to contribute to Japan’s GDP.
Hey Jason…this is what you said….
“How many times does this reporter have to be told to “get in his truck and leave”? He was given a lawful directive at least 5 times to leave an area ”
Lets get educated. There is no law that prohibits freedom of the press that is constitutional!
Any directive he gave vioolated the constitution and also violated stae law. He violated his oathe to protect and defend the constitution. I believe the charge can carry up to 20 years in prison.
If he is not charged with this crime, any citizen can make a citizen’s arrest in Texas, take him to the US attorneys office and press charges. If the US attorney will not prosecute him under the law, then the AUSA is also in violation of his oath and can be added to the indictment. Coninue up the chain of command and eventually you will find someone who understand law, constitution , and your rights. Do not allow this to go unanswered. Pursue the charges, they are real. Its about time govern employees and law enforcement understand they are NOT immune from the law, especiually serious violation that are tantamount to sedition and treason. This cop and all who sympathize with him are attempting to make the 1st amendment freedom of the press right impotent, and by so doing have violated your individual 14th amendment civil rights and can be also prosecuted for civil rights violations. If you do nothing, men like Ramirez will continue to butcher and rape the rights of a free people. You can prosecute this man as an individual. DO SO!
Jason is absolutely correct. You don’t argue — you follow the police officer’s orders. The officer did exactly what he should have done. The reporter and cameraman were way out of line. They were stopped illegally in the emergency lane, where they should not have been. Just because “other people are doing it” is no justification. They then failed to obey the officer’s orders repeatedly, then the reporter resisted arrest. They were lucky they were released without charges. Every officer I know who has seen this video (it’s now been widely distributed and discussed on all the LEO boards) agrees the officer’s actions were entirely appropriate.
Of course cops agree with cops… it’s the BROTHERHOOD. Cops have an US against THEM mentality. Everyone is a criminal until proven otherwise to a cop. Cops imagine any order they give is a lawful order. I think I provided plenty of evidence in videos above that validate that fact.
A cop in one of the videos turns the camera off, beats a woman to a bloody pulp then argues that the woman slipped and fell during a breathalizer? Look at the photo of her face before the video was turned off and then after the video was turned back on… FELL? What? down a flight of steps at the Statue of Liberty? I’ve seen people beaten with baseball bats that did not look that bad. GIMME A BREAK!
The kind of brainwashing and BROTHERHOOD mentality that I see many cops, MOST cops get lost in when they defend the clearly out of control actions of fellow cops is the same and brainwashing BROTHERHOOD that allows people to strap bombs to their body and blow themselves up… in the name of A CAUSE or BROTHERHOOD or RELIGION, once you identify those who disagree with you as the ENEMY the rest is semantics.
Another LEO,
Did you bother to see what the Chief had to say about the incident? Probably not because if an officer says do it you must. Guess what, that’s not what the Chief said.
It’s just another LEO that’s not following his oath of office.
The public was there. The officers didn’t ask the public to leave. Then the camera that the Sgt. decides to react to shows up and he reacts. He doesn’t tell everyone to leave. Why? Because he doesn’t have a problem with the rest of the public watching, only the reporters.
Another LEO do you have any idea just how wrong you are. The police cannot limit the access of the press to less than that allowed to the general public. They also don’t have to give the press more access in most places but in some they are required to by law.
It’s also obvious from the video that the Sgt. is trying to make a pretext of resisting which is the normal course in cases like this. Not doing anything wrong, I’ll fix that. “Stop Resisting”, ok now you are resisting arrest, you are under arrest.
I suggest you go back and do some studying about this subject because it’s obvious that you don’t know or understand the law.
If you noticed, another leo, didn’t have the courage to use a real name.
If it were not an officer, a cop would see a video where the someone turns off a camera while two people are alone in a room and the next time we see the players, someone is standing and the other is sitting in a bloody pulp on the floor – the only conclusion that they could come to is that the standing person assaulted the victim.
But, when we leave the policing to the police, the woman will be charged with assault on an officer, resisting arrest, dui, public intoxication and some after public outcry, the officer will be charged and eventually plead guilty…to loitering. He will be suspended with pay for 3 days.
This will stop when we make it stop.
If they were stopped illegally on the emergency lane then tow the truck, give them a ticket or give him the chance to leave . He was leaving already but SGT RAMIREZ didnt like the fact that someone would talk back. No one is above the law, but if you wear the uniform you are well protected, and so are the people of the media. This should be a good one.
It’s a good one alright. Just played on the evening news in NYC. I’d say that Sgt. Ramirez is nationally known now.
I’m always afraid of cops when I come back to the States for a visit. I know that there is a chance they will bother me for doing nothing illegal.
Might I suggest this. Everyone start wiring themselves, cars and homes with small camera’s and microphones. They have ones now that can transmit the data over a cell phone. That’ll put the images and sound out of reach of the overzealous LEO’s. The only way you are going to get them to leave lawabiding citizens alone is to try to document them at all times.
Here in Japan, cops respect a citizens rights and do not ignore the country’s constitution.
The reporter was doing his job and was NOT interfering. I hope the Sgt whatever his name is – is locked up or at least fired! what a jerk!
National for sure. I saw it on CNN and FoxNews.
PD CHIEF: Video of incident involving sergeant ‘disturbing’
KVIA has posted a 22-minute long interview with the Chief. About 10 minutes in, a woman off-camera interrupts. I couldn’t make out what she said, Chief Allen remains silent on the issue of the nurse that wasn’t allowed to help. Reporter just moved on to next question. Can anyone figure out what she said?
In the original video at 0:16, what would you all estimate to be the distance between Ramirez and Hunt before Ramirez dashes over and shoves Hunt into the hood of that Toyota Truck?
The cop was WAY out of line. what an idiot!!!
I respect police, but this guy was a total jackass.
Thinking on the issues at hand, I can think many different ways to find a remedy that would work better than our current system.
What if we had statewide organizations that were funded for 1 year, by the state, that was a watchdog agency.
This agency would allow a police department 3 months to investigate it’s own. If no charges were filed, it would take that information and investigate itself. If enough evidence was found and a conviction was secured, then that agency would, by law, be obligated to give 5% of it’s operating budget to the watchdog agency. The offending department would not be allowed an increase in funding for 3 years and would be obligated to change leadership.
We would also need a change in law regarding prosecutions, but I guarantee that we would see this agency fully funded within a year.
We won’t see change until we see laws that have some bite to them.
How about laws that push civil cases that are won to a watchdog agency to be investigated. For instance, if someone files a civil lawsuit on police brutality and they prevail (if you cannot prevail civilly, then you don’t have much hope criminally – I say this with a grain of salt – lots of variables), perhaps it should be flagged for investigation.
I also believe that there should be a cap on liability for departments if the criminal laws were to become stiffer regarding the same. Following the logic, I believe that departments are sometimes afraid of filing charges because it is almost like shooting yourself in the foot: if you arrest an officer who works for you, you might as well go find a new job, because a lawsuit is coming to the department, guaranteed to win.
Thoughts?
I would like to apologize for this officers actions. We are trained and prohibited by department policy from displaying unprofessional conduct. It is my belief that this officer should step up an apologize for his inexcusable behavior not only this reporter but to the cittizens he is sworn to protect. I can only pray that at this moment in his life he fines the integrity he had when he held his right hand up and took his oath of office. Please don’t tarnish the badges of thousands for your arrogance. This is a hard job that gives promise to no officer to make it back home each day, many of us have children and god only knows what it would be like not to have the support of the public. Please Sgt. Right your wrong.
I would like to thank this “fellow police officer” for saying in a nice manner what I would say in a not-so-nice manner.
Chief Allen says on camera the Sgt has a history of a bumpy discipline history. WHY IS THAT NO SURPRISE TO ME!
In fact… I said so in my original posts. When you see this kind of action, a check of their history usually shows other abusive issues.
That appeared to be the most sincere police chief I have ever heard NOT defend the unlawful actions of his police officer. If he follows through in the manner he says he will, then he deserves KUDOS from the public for doing the job he is paid to do.
He is either the most sincere police chief I have ever seen or the best actor wearing a badge.
I am not a cop hater, I give credit where credit is due and assign responsibility where responsibility is due.
Dear Fellow Police Officer;
Thanks for stopping by and for your comment. I don’t know how long you have been reading this blog but this is the first post by you I have seen.
You have touched on the oath of office. This is exactly the problem I see in everything that Carlos reports. Failure to execute the oath of office. I took a similar oath when I assumed my commission in the US Navy. Taking the oath was considered a very important event.
I think we have lost touch with the importance of the event of being sworn into office and the meaning of the oath in today’s secular world. It’s treated as a formality with no significance. I have posted the oath taken by many police officers in a different topic.
If you read the oath I’m sure anyone would agree with just how important it is. To simplify the oath it es a solemn promise the the officer to conduct his office in accordance with the laws of the state in return for being give the office. We don’t require ’shoe salesman’ and garbage collectors to take an oath of office because their jobs don’t raise to the significance of a police officer.
I’m convinced that following the oath of office is what’s missing today. If a police officer follows his oath he will always be acting in a manner that is honorable. People that behave in an honorable way always deserve and get respect. The converse is also true. This is why in my opine many police departments are having trouble getting respect for their officers. The officers are not acting in accordance with their oaths of office.
Maybe all police departments need to read the oath of office on a monthly basis to the officers at roll call for a couple of years. Maybe then the officers will realize how important it is.
I would have liked to see the reporter smash the dumb *ss cops head into the fence post, then he would have deserved to be arrested.
Another cop on a POWER TRIP! Police, especially a Sgt., should be required to understand The Consitution……….
It’s a shame that most intelligent people in society choose not to join the police force. We are left with bullies and idiots like this guy. Thank god so many of them are too dumb to realize that the camera is watching every stupid thing they do – still, I hate to imagine all the stuff that doesn’t get filmed every day. I guess these fat morons actually think they are following the law, and that the journalists and civilians are the “criminals”. Brainwashed.
Yes Scott50, that would have been the WISE thing to do. Can you possibly be 50?
This story only has MERIT because the reporter did not do anything illegal, but the police officer manufactured a reason to arrest him without any real NECESSARY reason.
Had the reporter hit the cop, then there would be no issue with this story, the cop would have done what he should have done and we would not be discussing this.
CAN YOU POSSIBLY REALLY BE 50?
Nobody should ever attack a cop… But those that can should do exactly what this reported did, document the event and make it public.
I suspect the Chief would have reacted to this entirely different had one man walked in to file a complaint, than he was forced to do when the public voiced an outrage over the event.
Remember, both the Chief of Police and the Mayor are ELECTED by their community to serve in their positions.
Their worst fear is to have to return to being a bartender and a beat cop.
This is out of control. The police officer should find a different career.
That cop is a god damn fool and a hot head. I wonder how many poor people got pulled over by him for simple infractions and had to deal with his arrogance and verbal abuse? It’s punks that like that who make cops look bad. It’s completely obvious the cop was having a bad day and his narcissism couldn’t handle a person telling him he was wrong.
Quoting Dizeman:
…”Remember, both the Chief of Police and the Mayor are ELECTED by their community to serve in their positions.”…
Actually, in El Paso, the Chief of Police is not determined by election. It’s a hiring decision made by city officials.
The reporter should have done what he was told. LOL ARE YOU KIDDING ME? The reporter was clearly doing what the officer told him to do he was leaving and walking toward his vehicle. What it appears is that he made some comments that sent this officer over the edge. This officer lost control if his mental and physical faculties and more then over reacted. He literally acted like someone who experiences ROID rage. He needs to be fired and court ordered for psychoanalysis and mental treatment. I hope this cop doesn’t have children if he does they should be removed from the home. People who act like this don’t do things like this once in a while there is obviously many life going issues that this guy has and he’s out of control.
This idiot cop is guilty of two things:
*huge anger management issues
*sub-moron stupidity-didn’t he learn anything from the Dallas cop fiasco just a few weeks ago? A video camera is rolling, for chrissakes!
Might as well fire him-he might learn to control his emotions, but he’ll always be stupid.
Well, the first thing I noticed is that the Sergeant is rather obese to be a police officer. I would think that a city the size of El Paso would have some physical standards. The second thing I noticed was how out of line the officer was. There are better ways of communicating with people than acting like an ignorant jackass, which is what this officer did. From what I understand this very same officer has 13 complains against him for unprofessional conduct. I honestly hope this is the one that gets him fired.
He later told his superiors that he doesn’t work with partners either.
does anyone know sgt. Ramirez’ full name and home phone and address? not legal to ask for it. Or call him and express your opinion. I bet someone has it out there. Please post it. thank you!
Hey CNN,
Welcome to life on the streets.
Aint the first time, wont be the last.
Peace
-Murph-
Cops make people nervous period. I didn’t see the video. From these post with a few exceptions that everyone forgets about freedom of the press. The cop overreacted. However, there is another interesting note. The nurse could of order the cop to move over under law to treat the victims of the crash. I saw this on show on this once, unless there doctor or nurse could be killed or injured severely, under federal law they are allowed to treat people. Over a cops objection.
Perfect example of police bullying. Why does an officer have the right to physically attack someone and in some cases even force them to the ground when the individual is perfectly innocent.
When I was growing up I was harassed like this and even worse by the EPPD on a regular bases and I was not a gang member and never dressed like one and was never doing anything illegal.
The sheriffs department is just as bad. Once me and a friend were leaving the mall and my friend stopped to comb his hair in the reflection of a car window and bam a sheriffs car comes racing at us head on and stopping just about a foot away. The sheriff comes out and draws his gun on us and orders us to put our hands on the hood of the car.
Seconds later about 4 or 5 other cars and mall security surround us. I ask what’s going on? and was told to shut up. I start laughing cause I know we didn’t do anything and the sheriff gets really pissed off and ask me “You think this is funny?” I said well yeah. Then he yells at me and says get on your knees. I said no I didn’t do anything. Then he forces me down. Minutes later they let us go with no apologies because they are the law and can do what ever they want.
It’s becoming a disturbingly familiar scene in America – aggressive, overbearing and mentally unstable cops who think that it is an arrestable offense not to obey their every order – harassing citizens who have done absolutely nothing wrong.
Officer Raul Ramirez should be fired and loose his peace officers license. If you just fire him and don’t take away his license, he will just get another job as a cop and maybe will be in your town. Will your loves ones be safe? Make some calls.
El Paso Police Department
(915) 564-7000
El Paso Police Department Commander
(915) 577-5000
El Paso Police-Comm Relations
(915) 541-4228
El Paso Police Internal Affairs
(915) 544-7633
F@@K the damn Mexican Cop!
New Development in the case…
EPPD: ABC-7’s news crew arrest ‘appropriate but unprofessional’