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	<title>Comments on: New Jersey Transit official makes up his own laws about videotaping trains</title>
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		<title>By: NYCPhotorights</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/16/new-jersey-transit-official-makes-up-his-own-laws-about-videotaping-trains/#comment-14499</link>
		<dc:creator>NYCPhotorights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure you could get a permit if you have a $2 Million liability policy and wish to pay for official escorts, etc. Doesn&#039;t hurt to ask though...

Technically NJT rules permit handheld photography by a single photographer. You had a crew and actors which may fall under their &quot;commercial photography&quot; rules. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure you could get a permit if you have a $2 Million liability policy and wish to pay for official escorts, etc. Doesn&#8217;t hurt to ask though&#8230;</p>
<p>Technically NJT rules permit handheld photography by a single photographer. You had a crew and actors which may fall under their &#8220;commercial photography&#8221; rules. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnathan Munoz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnathan Munoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 19 years old and my passion is in film making. Just yesterday, I was working on a short film about young teenagers and domestic violence for my church. One of the scenes take place at Rahway Train Station (NJT).

Then, as I was on the platform, with my two other &quot;editing buddies&quot;, setting up the camera to record the actors on the other side, a police officer approaches us saying, &quot;No more, guys. I received two phone calls about the video taping, and also harassment.&quot;

I am more than positive that NONE of my crew harassed anyone at the station. So, because of this incident, the officer asked for ID, a phone number, and asked us to stop filming. We obeyed the officer and moved on to the studio where a short film cannot be edited due to the missing shots. 

I&#039;m desperate to go back to the station but do not want to get arrested.. can I get a permit and finish the rest of the film without breaking the law? or should I not even worry about the permit and end the production with a couple more shots?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 19 years old and my passion is in film making. Just yesterday, I was working on a short film about young teenagers and domestic violence for my church. One of the scenes take place at Rahway Train Station (NJT).</p>
<p>Then, as I was on the platform, with my two other &#8220;editing buddies&#8221;, setting up the camera to record the actors on the other side, a police officer approaches us saying, &#8220;No more, guys. I received two phone calls about the video taping, and also harassment.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am more than positive that NONE of my crew harassed anyone at the station. So, because of this incident, the officer asked for ID, a phone number, and asked us to stop filming. We obeyed the officer and moved on to the studio where a short film cannot be edited due to the missing shots. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m desperate to go back to the station but do not want to get arrested.. can I get a permit and finish the rest of the film without breaking the law? or should I not even worry about the permit and end the production with a couple more shots?</p>
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		<title>By: NYCPhotorights</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/16/new-jersey-transit-official-makes-up-his-own-laws-about-videotaping-trains/#comment-13251</link>
		<dc:creator>NYCPhotorights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call NJT customer service and report the conductor (at least report the train you were on and let NJT sort it out). According to NJT photography is permitted in all publicly accessible areas. The train is certainly publicly accessible except when it is out of service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call NJT customer service and report the conductor (at least report the train you were on and let NJT sort it out). According to NJT photography is permitted in all publicly accessible areas. The train is certainly publicly accessible except when it is out of service.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Lyden</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/16/new-jersey-transit-official-makes-up-his-own-laws-about-videotaping-trains/#comment-13246</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Lyden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My name is Peter Lyden. I&#039;m a huge railfanner. Recently, I was riding on NJT to Summit, NJ on the afternoon of Wednesday July 8, 2009. I was told by an NJT conductor that I was not allowed to film onboard trains. Back in September 2008, I videotaped being onboard the train in Red Bank, NJ &amp; once again, the NJT conductor told me that I wasn&#039;t allowed to film onboard trains. Does NJT have a law against filming trains, do you need special permission to film trains, or what&#039;s the deal here? Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My name is Peter Lyden. I&#8217;m a huge railfanner. Recently, I was riding on NJT to Summit, NJ on the afternoon of Wednesday July 8, 2009. I was told by an NJT conductor that I was not allowed to film onboard trains. Back in September 2008, I videotaped being onboard the train in Red Bank, NJ &amp; once again, the NJT conductor told me that I wasn&#8217;t allowed to film onboard trains. Does NJT have a law against filming trains, do you need special permission to film trains, or what&#8217;s the deal here? Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Maurer</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/16/new-jersey-transit-official-makes-up-his-own-laws-about-videotaping-trains/#comment-10208</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Maurer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I visited NJ Transit in April of 2007.  I found that the light rail operators would challenge me, but when I mentioned Warrington they would just sort of mumble something and then go back to operating the train.  

At Newark Penn Station an Amtrak conductor wanted to see my ID, because after 9/11 you can&#039;t be too careful.  Shortly after that two other Amtrak employees came up in a golf cart and asked for my ID.  When I reached into my pocket they started laughing and said they saw what happened with the conductor and they were just having some fun and to feel free to take all the pictures I wanted.  The NJ Transit Police officers here ignored me.

At Hoboken Terminal two NJ Transit Police officers came up to me and started talking to me.  They wanted to make sure I had photographed the new equipment that was parked outside for employee training, and talked to me about the 100th anniversary of the terminal and the renovation work being done to the ferry slips.  They were very proud of Hoboken Terminal and wanted to share it with others.

I guess some of them aren&#039;t as bad as others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I visited NJ Transit in April of 2007.  I found that the light rail operators would challenge me, but when I mentioned Warrington they would just sort of mumble something and then go back to operating the train.  </p>
<p>At Newark Penn Station an Amtrak conductor wanted to see my ID, because after 9/11 you can&#8217;t be too careful.  Shortly after that two other Amtrak employees came up in a golf cart and asked for my ID.  When I reached into my pocket they started laughing and said they saw what happened with the conductor and they were just having some fun and to feel free to take all the pictures I wanted.  The NJ Transit Police officers here ignored me.</p>
<p>At Hoboken Terminal two NJ Transit Police officers came up to me and started talking to me.  They wanted to make sure I had photographed the new equipment that was parked outside for employee training, and talked to me about the 100th anniversary of the terminal and the renovation work being done to the ferry slips.  They were very proud of Hoboken Terminal and wanted to share it with others.</p>
<p>I guess some of them aren&#8217;t as bad as others.</p>
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		<title>By: Duane Kerzic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane Kerzic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had missed that Bober had been forced to resign. It was after my last interaction with them. I don&#039;t know much about the new guy but I&#039;m sure I&#039;ve seen him. I guess that lawsuit was just the last straw of many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had missed that Bober had been forced to resign. It was after my last interaction with them. I don&#8217;t know much about the new guy but I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ve seen him. I guess that lawsuit was just the last straw of many.</p>
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		<title>By: NYCPhotorights</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/16/new-jersey-transit-official-makes-up-his-own-laws-about-videotaping-trains/#comment-9952</link>
		<dc:creator>NYCPhotorights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duane - I don&#039;t think Chief Bober carries much weight any more. He was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/base/news-12/123571242385900.xml&amp;coll=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;forced to resign&lt;/a&gt;  following a discrimination/harassment lawsuit that could end up costing NJT over $2 MILLION.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duane &#8211; I don&#8217;t think Chief Bober carries much weight any more. He was <a href="http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/base/news-12/123571242385900.xml&amp;coll=1" rel="nofollow">forced to resign</a>  following a discrimination/harassment lawsuit that could end up costing NJT over $2 MILLION.</p>
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		<title>By: Voice of Reason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Voice of Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to NYCPhotorights: I found the part about the photographer who was &quot;stopped from taking a video out the window of the train he was riding in&quot; interesting. Air marshals have apparently placed ordinary tourists on terrorist lists because they took snapshots out of plane windows during takeoff or landing. Sounds like the same sort of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to NYCPhotorights: I found the part about the photographer who was &#8220;stopped from taking a video out the window of the train he was riding in&#8221; interesting. Air marshals have apparently placed ordinary tourists on terrorist lists because they took snapshots out of plane windows during takeoff or landing. Sounds like the same sort of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Duane Kerzic</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/16/new-jersey-transit-official-makes-up-his-own-laws-about-videotaping-trains/#comment-9945</link>
		<dc:creator>Duane Kerzic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been approached by the NJ Transit cops a couple of times. It seems that NJ Transit Police Chief Bober has a thing about cameras, he doesn&#039;t like them. He proposed a total ban on all photography in the system however the NJ State Legislature had decided in the past to define all publicly accessible portions of transit stations as public property. Chief Connell of the Cranford, NJ PD was sure to point this out NJ Transit, Chief Connell in his spare time runs Railpace magazine. The NJPPA, the NPPA and the NYPPA all joined in and submitted briefs about why NJ Transit couldn&#039;t make the rule also. So it&#039;s permissible to take photos of anything in the NJ Transit system that can be viewed from public property. This includes rail yards, equipment, the interior of the train cars, anything that can be seen from the windows of rail cars. Just like it&#039;s supposed to be.

So needless to say NJT finally figured out they couldn&#039;t ban photography and decided to go back to the theory that it was a normal and customary activity. Most of the officers that I&#039;ve met have been well trained on the new rules but there are still some that want to make up the rules as they go along,

http://photos.duanek.name/gallery/7182784_k3KaU/1/461178783_6o5ct the story is in the captions of the photos.

and

http://photos.duanek.name/gallery/7627173_yKZAa/1/493162502_9XqJ3

The story during the second group is while taking those photos and standing in the street right of way next to the railroad right of way I was approached by a NJ Transit Cop. I was asked who I was. I said I didn&#039;t want to identify myself and didn&#039;t want to talk to her at all. She said her supervisor wanted to know who I was with and who I was. I said I don&#039;t give a hoot what your supervisor wants. So then she give me the suspicious activity escalation.

To this I responded I think it&#039;s a newswothy event when a train takes down the catenary wires and brings the busiest rail line in the US to a standstill for over 4 hours. I&#039;m standing in the public right of way. I can&#039;t think of anyone, other than you, that would find my behaviour anything other than normal and customary in this situation. Am I being detained? Am I free to go?

So then I was told I was standing there of my own free will and to be careful, have a nice night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been approached by the NJ Transit cops a couple of times. It seems that NJ Transit Police Chief Bober has a thing about cameras, he doesn&#8217;t like them. He proposed a total ban on all photography in the system however the NJ State Legislature had decided in the past to define all publicly accessible portions of transit stations as public property. Chief Connell of the Cranford, NJ PD was sure to point this out NJ Transit, Chief Connell in his spare time runs Railpace magazine. The NJPPA, the NPPA and the NYPPA all joined in and submitted briefs about why NJ Transit couldn&#8217;t make the rule also. So it&#8217;s permissible to take photos of anything in the NJ Transit system that can be viewed from public property. This includes rail yards, equipment, the interior of the train cars, anything that can be seen from the windows of rail cars. Just like it&#8217;s supposed to be.</p>
<p>So needless to say NJT finally figured out they couldn&#8217;t ban photography and decided to go back to the theory that it was a normal and customary activity. Most of the officers that I&#8217;ve met have been well trained on the new rules but there are still some that want to make up the rules as they go along,</p>
<p><a href="http://photos.duanek.name/gallery/7182784_k3KaU/1/461178783_6o5ct" rel="nofollow">http://photos.duanek.name/gallery/7182784_k3KaU/1/461178783_6o5ct</a> the story is in the captions of the photos.</p>
<p>and</p>
<p><a href="http://photos.duanek.name/gallery/7627173_yKZAa/1/493162502_9XqJ3" rel="nofollow">http://photos.duanek.name/gallery/7627173_yKZAa/1/493162502_9XqJ3</a></p>
<p>The story during the second group is while taking those photos and standing in the street right of way next to the railroad right of way I was approached by a NJ Transit Cop. I was asked who I was. I said I didn&#8217;t want to identify myself and didn&#8217;t want to talk to her at all. She said her supervisor wanted to know who I was with and who I was. I said I don&#8217;t give a hoot what your supervisor wants. So then she give me the suspicious activity escalation.</p>
<p>To this I responded I think it&#8217;s a newswothy event when a train takes down the catenary wires and brings the busiest rail line in the US to a standstill for over 4 hours. I&#8217;m standing in the public right of way. I can&#8217;t think of anyone, other than you, that would find my behaviour anything other than normal and customary in this situation. Am I being detained? Am I free to go?</p>
<p>So then I was told I was standing there of my own free will and to be careful, have a nice night.</p>
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