Comments on: Cops Gone Wild: A 24-hour glimpse of police misconduct in the news

By: chris

chris — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:57:01 +0000

Think about it this way. People get hired to be police officers. They are just people. They go through a lot of screening, testing, and continued evaluations. They are still people. They have bad days, they get swayed by greed, they have relationship issues, they drink, they have children. They are still police officers. Over time they seem lots of death, injury, lives ruined, and they are effected by these incidents. They are still people with parents, siblings, wives, children, and friends. Everyone changes over time and police officers are no different. Like race car drivers that get DUI’s, like elected officials that get caught doing wrong after years of good performance. So let’s admit it, some of you just hate cops because you got caught. Some of you wanted to be cops and could not even get hired because of how or what you are or did. Some of you somehow think that police officers that make honest mistakes in the .2 seconds they have to make a decision do it on purpose because they are on a power trip. The reality is that 95% of police officers are honest, try to do the right thing every time, and admit their mistakes. One other point, if people providing information to the police about an incident do not tell the truth how is it the police officer is responsible for what happened. Think about that and think about how truthful you were with the officer that contacted you.

By: Cop Killer

Cop Killer — Thu, 14 May 2009 01:40:24 +0000

I have never heard so many people whine about someone watching these asshole cops who abuse their powers because they think they own everyone (slavery was abolished a long time ago) They even think when they’re off duty that they have to flash their gay badge to get people to do what THEY want them to do. I don’t know of people who have “regular” jobs that do this. I don’t see BK workers coming over and commandering cookouts flashing their BK badge and cooking for us, I don’t see car wash workers flashing their badges and taking over my car washing. MY point is this, DO your job when you are ON your job, but when you go out as a citizen don’t flash that badge unless you ABSOLUTELY have to. Cops like to push people around and manipulate situations and that is why people HATE them. When you’re OFF DUTY maybe you should not be trying to show off for your friends/family/wife/girlfriend at how much more powerful you are than everyone else, this is why i carry 3-4 guns on me or in my vehicles at any given time, IF you butt in where you’re don’t belong, you’ll be treated as someone who is threatening my life and i’ll take appropriate reaction to you flashing what i cannot tell if it is a REAL badge or one you made at home, so after you’re shot we can figure that out. I’ve even seen cops try to bully people ONLINE on gaming sites when they get beat they try to intimidate by using the old “I’m a police officer with the sheriff’s office and i’m going to hunt you down and follow you waiting for you to make a mistake then i’m going to arrest you and then let’s see how many wins you get when i pay some N-WORD (not what HE said to the kid either) to fuck you up the ass repeatedly until i think i’m satisfied that you’ve learned a valuable lesson” This didn’t even happen to me but when i heard i hunted the guy down and he WAS a DEPUTY sherriff who had retired 4 yrs prior and was still using his badge to get his way, this is WHY people hate cops… I know ALL cops aren’t bad, but the bad ones overshadow the good ones because the good ones help cover up for the bad ones, if they’d stop that then maybe people wouldn’t hate them so much. BTW the deputy started the entire thing because this kid was playing a space game through facebook and so was the cop, the kid is 17 yrs old and was playing the game like everyone else and this cop couldn’t win against him and just started berating him and bitchin about losing to him (not even knowing he was a KID!!!) So i started attacking this cop online and MADE him go away before i made his life hell (luckily the cop was 2 counties away and i used street names, vehicles he owns and his name address and telephone # and told him i would have him arrested for trying to threaten some kid because he beat him in an online game) Funny how fast he backed down and how much backpeddling he did when i told him i had all the info and the kid had all the threats saved and we had IP addresses to boot, that guy ran faster than forrest gump…lmao COPS, CLEAN UP YOUR ACT, THE WORLD IS FAILING AND WE DON’T HAVE ANY ROOM FOR ASSHOLES ANYMORE. DON’T MAKE THE PEOPLE HAVE TO GOVERN THIS LAND BECAUSE WE WON’T NEED ANY BAD COPS TO MESS US UP. And why is everyone attacking this carlos guy anyway ? haters!!!! everyone seems to be haters anymore… What happened to AMERICA ?????? Why did we let GWBush RUIN US ?????? and who are the people that really voted for that asshole ???? And how can anyone not see how much he fucked this world up ? OUR country is not what it was before he was here, HE allowed the 9/11 stuff because he knew it would get the patriot act enacted, wake up people, we’re not gonna be able to dig out of this one without an absolute miracle from GOD. And i hate to say so, but we had better get people like Bush out of the government before we’re a 3rd world country relying on the rest of the world to take care of us, that won’t happen. THEY love to take our money but they don’t think we should tell them what to do, Well if you don’t wanna listen to us then give us OUR money back and stay the fuck out of AMERICA. Bush sold us out to the highest bidder for his family’s personal gains. The Bush family increased their wealth by using US to gain income. Wake up people, we’re being fucked from within, this isn’t the commies, the nazis or the terrorists from somewhere else, they were RUNNING THIS COUNTRY!!! Making policies that work for the people who lobby the government to do what they want by giving them MONEY, last time i checked that was called a bribe if you do it outside of government… Maybe we need to abolish lobbyists, legalize all drugs and anyone stupid enough to kill themselves with heroin, crack, crystal meth, cocaine, or any other drug, well good for them, they just saved us a ton of money because now we don’t have to end up housing him in a prison and having to feed them, clothe them, and put a roof over their heads for so many years, wasting tons of money on worthless criminals. Make the punishment work as a deterrent and stop being little babies about it. IF some criminal uses a gun in commission of a felony, that should get a swift death penalty not to exceed 1 yr from the trial date. (see cops, i don’t believe we don’t need you to get criminals, we just need you to be more law abiding than even we are supposed to be, set an example that cops can be decent towards citizens who aren’t giving them trouble) So please people, stop whining about cops being given too much hassle, let’s just take the first thing i seen when i got to this page, it said an officer was molesting his girlfriend’s 12-year-old daughter. DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD GO EASY ON HIM BECAUSE HE’S A COP ???? I don’t care who he is, ANYONE who does this should be known about and be on the national registry and should even be castrated, that’s a deterrent… Wanna stop crime ??? Make the laws tougher on REAL crimes (arson, burglary, robbery, rape, murder, armed felonies, etc…) THAT is what will make crime go down, and cops need to lead by example, if cops are committing crimes then they obviously think either that they can get away with them due to their brother officers covering up for them (maybe they don’t even know they are, but doing it for the old good ole boy network thing, like black people used to do, they would stick up for a criminal if he was black and being questioned by anyone white) Those type of things don’t work, they make honest people lie because of a perceived “brother/sisterhood” just because of some old traditions. Anyway, let’s try to keep an eye on criminals everywhere, whether they’re cops, lawyers, bus drivers, whatever they do for work we don’t care, it’s stopping criminals and maybe even shooting a few of the real crooks and saving us millions per year in their care & housing at one of the lovely citizen hotels they seem to building so many of. Stop wasting money and time and let’s try to save our country before we’re living in a 3rd world country, we’ve already slipped to a 2nd world so maybe we should close our borders because we can’t afford these sickos coming in and bringing pestilence with them and spreading it to what was the greatest country in the world. Why can’t we save ourselves before we save the rest of the world from some old dialysis patient running around in the mountains of pakistan who seems to be making us look like buffoons (if ya seen the 60 minutes with the guy that said they had him in their sights and was told by someone from the top to not take the shot and he wondered why the pres would have ordered them not to take him out) I say it’s TREASON and BUSH needs to be in PRISON for his 1 yr then execute him for his crimes, take Cheney also. Daddy Bush started our problems with the whole Saddam Hussein thing, and the only reason all this happened was to get Saddam dead and he did get that done… 15 yrs too late, Daddy could have done that back then and saved alot of bullshit. IF i was the one who was told NOT to shoot Osama, I would have shot him anyway and then told them we lost him again.

By: Voice of Reason

Voice of Reason — Mon, 04 May 2009 01:40:56 +0000

Note to Valerie Parkhurst: Let people know how it works out. Note to Daniel Lovejoy: You might wish to read Karl Mansoor's post 72 on the subject. He discusses the Code of Silence towards the end. Note that Mr. Mansoor is a former LEO. The link is here. My own post 30 is of lesser importance, but may also be of interest. The link is here.

By: Valerie Parkhurst

Valerie Parkhurst — Sun, 03 May 2009 23:26:04 +0000

Thanks Voice of Reason..I appreciate your words of wisdom.

By: Daniel Lovejoy

Daniel Lovejoy — Sun, 03 May 2009 22:01:50 +0000

There are bad people in every industry. My problem with the bad cops is that the good cops have a tendency to protect them. If I were a cop, I would not protect the bad cops. Why would you want to associate with someone that gives the rest of the good cops a bad name?
When I was in the Military, I did not cover for those who were acting criminally, I reported them. I didn’t want to put my life in danger because they couldn’t control themselves.

By: Voice of Reason

Voice of Reason — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:14:07 +0000

Note to Valerie Parkhurst: I wish you the best of luck. I believe that some of the LEOs who frequent this site may feel the same way.

I’ve got no experience that qualifies me to offer any further practical advice. However, I continue to feel that defusing the situation to a safe level and aggressively or even relentlessly pursuing a resolution are not incompatible goals.

By: Valerie Parkhurst

Valerie Parkhurst — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:45:54 +0000

Thank you…I am sorry I got harsh in an open forum..when I think everything is getting back to a level playing field in my head I realize its not. I continue to read about some of the misconduct cases in my Police department and it just drives it all home again…When a Police Officer states “I’ll find out where you live” that rumbles the anger up again.
I know at some point I will have to come to terms with this in a more rational way. Regardless of how this plays out. My department is showing a pattern of bad conduct. I can only imagine what is NOT making the Papers. Davie has gotten so bad even other police departments are distancing themselves from them.
I agree about the “flame Wars” ..
I did some research after I posted the “continuing education” question. I found lots of companies offering their services, many for higher ups and most recently on-line accredited courses. Anyway, what ever is being offered is obviously not enough and it would seem that a golden carrot should be offered for those departments that keep a clean and healthy attitude towards their public.
Its apparent doing the “right thing” for the sake of doing the “right thing” isnt working.

By: Voice of Reason

Voice of Reason — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:47:46 +0000

Note to Valerie Parkhurst: You have my sympathy.

As far as “jones” goes, you’ve upped the ante. When he’s confronted with this kind of thing, issues that impact the lives of real people, he usually disengages. If it’s because he’s uncomfortable talking about issues after he starts to see them from other points of view, this might be an indication that he has a conscience. Or it might mean that he’s afraid of losing a debate.

You must be aware that Karl Mansoor, who you’ve just addressed and said thanks to, is a LEO. Additionally, you “come from a family of Cops”. Therefore, you’re aware that individual LEOs aren’t necessarily corrupt or without a conscience. You’ve also said that somebody at the state level has apologized to you. That’s encouraging. There’s some serious problems with the system. Mr. Mansoor could tell you more about one issue. That said, is it possible that you might be able to work with some of the LEOs or officials that you know and respect to defuse the situation?

If the answer is no, I stand by the advice that I’ve posted before. I’ll emphasize two points: Don’t use any kind of recording device that you’d need to reach for. That would be extremely foolish. Additionally, if the police try to confiscate the recording device, don’t resist them. Instead, provide Mr. Miller with the details. Seizure or destruction of photos, cameras, recording devices, etc., is exactly the kind of story that he covers, and his site has started to attract some attention.

When I’ve suggested (or at least implied) that there’s not much point to boxing matches that aren’t likely to resolve anything, I’ve meant no disrespect to anybody involved. However, I have also been around “a long time”. If I told you when I received my first E-mail address, you might find it surprising. I’ve watched this kind of thing since before the modern Internet or the golden age of BBSes. One thing I’ve noticed over the years is that flame wars rarely accomplish anything.

Additionally, echo chambers, where everybody is required to have the same opinions, are pointless. If you visit some of the sites that have criticized Mr. Miller (he’s self-confident enough that he’s linked to them), you’ll find echo chambers of this type. They’re never going to accomplish anything. If Mr. Miller’s site continues to attract a diverse crowd, some good may come of it.

By: Valerie Parkhurst

Valerie Parkhurst — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:59:14 +0000

Oh and the real important thing I left out…I come from a family of Cops…I was and am engaged to a Federal Agent the afternoon of my arrest…..they want this thing to go away…I am refusing….I want this to play out….just to see how dirty uniforms are….