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	<title>Comments on: Canadian cops clamping down on photographers&#8217; rights</title>
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		<title>By: Carlos Miller</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/06/canadian-cops-clamping-down-on-photographers-rights/#comment-10832</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 06:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bran,

I know what you&#039;re saying but I mostly write for an American audience.

If I were in Canada and read US police detain man at airport, I would read the article to get more specific information.

Plus the article was referring to Vancouver cops as well as RCMP cops, hence Canadian cops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bran,</p>
<p>I know what you&#8217;re saying but I mostly write for an American audience.</p>
<p>If I were in Canada and read US police detain man at airport, I would read the article to get more specific information.</p>
<p>Plus the article was referring to Vancouver cops as well as RCMP cops, hence Canadian cops.</p>
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		<title>By: Bran</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/06/canadian-cops-clamping-down-on-photographers-rights/#comment-10831</link>
		<dc:creator>Bran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 06:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One note about the article rather than the events is that &quot;Canadian Police&quot; is not really appropriate usage.  As in the U.S. there are layers of police service.  While the R.C.M.P. are the national police force they also administer provincial and local service in some areas.  Cities have their own police forces as in this case.

Imagine a headline reading &quot;US police detain man for wearing shoes in Airport.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One note about the article rather than the events is that &#8220;Canadian Police&#8221; is not really appropriate usage.  As in the U.S. there are layers of police service.  While the R.C.M.P. are the national police force they also administer provincial and local service in some areas.  Cities have their own police forces as in this case.</p>
<p>Imagine a headline reading &#8220;US police detain man for wearing shoes in Airport.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jones</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/06/canadian-cops-clamping-down-on-photographers-rights/#comment-7734</link>
		<dc:creator>jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This guy thinks a man with a knife standing less then five feet away is not a threat? I think even the rest of you would have to disagree with that. He is lucky he got the one warning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy thinks a man with a knife standing less then five feet away is not a threat? I think even the rest of you would have to disagree with that. He is lucky he got the one warning.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Jackson</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/06/canadian-cops-clamping-down-on-photographers-rights/#comment-7648</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies, I didn&#039;t catch that recovering files had been suggested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies, I didn&#8217;t catch that recovering files had been suggested.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Jackson</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/06/canadian-cops-clamping-down-on-photographers-rights/#comment-7645</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, guys guys.

Let them delete.  After the incident, go back home, get a program that recovers deleted files.  Just don&#039;t take any new pictures.  Remember, it only deletes the place holder and not the file itself.  Whether it is on a phone, camera or a computer, if it stores, it can be recovered.

Heck, offer to delete them yourself.  I am all about asserting your rights, but if we are confronting bullies, think smarter.

Also, (check your local laws) you may be able to tape record the interaction.  If your state allows you to tape record, then you should always have one on you.  No exceptions.

If you deal with the police, they are going to lie.  The supreme court has ruled that they can lie to you and you must assume that if their lips are moving, they are lying.

Also, carry your cell phone on you.  Dial 911 as soon as they approach you.  It is a recorded line.  Tell them that you need an officer to come out and arrest this person violating your rights.  Do not let them hang up.  It may be your only official account of events.

Tell them on the phone what your intentions are &quot;I have no intentions of interfering with this officer&#039;s duties.&quot;  Stay calm.  &quot;He is approaching me.  I have taken 3 pictures of this scene.  I will comply with his orders.  I have no intentions of resisting.  Please remain on the line so that I am protected from false accusations.&quot;

Understand, the person on the other end is not your friend.  He will not like what you are doing.  You are doing this for an official account of the event and it is an emergency!  This tape can be requested (be quick about it, they tend to destroy these tapes).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, guys guys.</p>
<p>Let them delete.  After the incident, go back home, get a program that recovers deleted files.  Just don&#8217;t take any new pictures.  Remember, it only deletes the place holder and not the file itself.  Whether it is on a phone, camera or a computer, if it stores, it can be recovered.</p>
<p>Heck, offer to delete them yourself.  I am all about asserting your rights, but if we are confronting bullies, think smarter.</p>
<p>Also, (check your local laws) you may be able to tape record the interaction.  If your state allows you to tape record, then you should always have one on you.  No exceptions.</p>
<p>If you deal with the police, they are going to lie.  The supreme court has ruled that they can lie to you and you must assume that if their lips are moving, they are lying.</p>
<p>Also, carry your cell phone on you.  Dial 911 as soon as they approach you.  It is a recorded line.  Tell them that you need an officer to come out and arrest this person violating your rights.  Do not let them hang up.  It may be your only official account of events.</p>
<p>Tell them on the phone what your intentions are &#8220;I have no intentions of interfering with this officer&#8217;s duties.&#8221;  Stay calm.  &#8220;He is approaching me.  I have taken 3 pictures of this scene.  I will comply with his orders.  I have no intentions of resisting.  Please remain on the line so that I am protected from false accusations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Understand, the person on the other end is not your friend.  He will not like what you are doing.  You are doing this for an official account of the event and it is an emergency!  This tape can be requested (be quick about it, they tend to destroy these tapes).</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/06/canadian-cops-clamping-down-on-photographers-rights/#comment-7633</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This disappoints me, I always figured we Canadians were more civilized than out neighbors to the south.

For anyone interested there is a a listing of Canadian laws as they relate to photographers.

http://ambientlight.ca/laws.php 
[not my site]

In very broad terms, if you are not breaking any laws you can take pictures of (almost) anything. Reasonable limits on military and security establishments do exist.

For the most part  (with some exceptions) if you are out in public, there is no expectation of privacy.

There is also the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (similar to the Bill of Rights) allowing the freedom to take pictures and NOT have the police harass you.

Please have a look at the website for more details and links to the relevant Canadian laws.

&quot;what a wonderful world&quot; sarcasm /off</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This disappoints me, I always figured we Canadians were more civilized than out neighbors to the south.</p>
<p>For anyone interested there is a a listing of Canadian laws as they relate to photographers.</p>
<p><a href="http://ambientlight.ca/laws.php" rel="nofollow">http://ambientlight.ca/laws.php</a><br />
[not my site]</p>
<p>In very broad terms, if you are not breaking any laws you can take pictures of (almost) anything. Reasonable limits on military and security establishments do exist.</p>
<p>For the most part  (with some exceptions) if you are out in public, there is no expectation of privacy.</p>
<p>There is also the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (similar to the Bill of Rights) allowing the freedom to take pictures and NOT have the police harass you.</p>
<p>Please have a look at the website for more details and links to the relevant Canadian laws.</p>
<p>&#8220;what a wonderful world&#8221; sarcasm /off</p>
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		<title>By: Jay R.</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/06/canadian-cops-clamping-down-on-photographers-rights/#comment-7593</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether their descriptions vary or not, going by Smolcic&#039;s description of the event he witnessed, police were very likely doing exactly what they should have.

&quot;Sick&quot; or not, a suspect with a deadly weapon needs to be handled with deadly force.  1.5m (4.5f) can be crossed in a split second - far less time than it takes to draw a weapon if a Tazer or pepper spray fails to take the suspect down.

I don&#039;t condone police shootings if they&#039;re unnecessary, but as both a photographer and trained shooter, I have to side with the police based on his description.

Though not about their deleting his video, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether their descriptions vary or not, going by Smolcic&#8217;s description of the event he witnessed, police were very likely doing exactly what they should have.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sick&#8221; or not, a suspect with a deadly weapon needs to be handled with deadly force.  1.5m (4.5f) can be crossed in a split second &#8211; far less time than it takes to draw a weapon if a Tazer or pepper spray fails to take the suspect down.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t condone police shootings if they&#8217;re unnecessary, but as both a photographer and trained shooter, I have to side with the police based on his description.</p>
<p>Though not about their deleting his video, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jester</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/06/canadian-cops-clamping-down-on-photographers-rights/#comment-7572</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://majorgeeks.com/downloads38.html

I recommend EASEUS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://majorgeeks.com/downloads38.html" rel="nofollow">http://majorgeeks.com/downloads38.html</a></p>
<p>I recommend EASEUS.</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/04/06/canadian-cops-clamping-down-on-photographers-rights/#comment-7553</link>
		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering how well the police delete the images and video from the memory cards of cameras and cell phones? Seems like many of the files could be retrieved using some freeware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering how well the police delete the images and video from the memory cards of cameras and cell phones? Seems like many of the files could be retrieved using some freeware.</p>
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