By Carlos Miller
The headline in today’s New York Times’ article sums up perfectly why so many cops feel threatened by photographers: When Evidence From Surveillance Cameras Leads to Charges Against Officers.
The article highlights several cases where police officers ended up facing criminal charges for lies exposed on video cameras, either though surveillance cameras or citizen videos. A couple of the incidents have been reported on this blog.
- New York City detective Debra Eager was indicted on three felony perjury charges after her testimony before a grand jury about a 2007 drug arrest “starkly contradicted” video surveillance of the event.
- New York City police officer Patrick Pogan, who was caught on video assaulting a bicyclist, was indicted in December on charges of assault and filing false paperwork, and has since resigned.
- New York City narcotics officers Henry Tavarez and Stephen Anderson, were charged with official misconduct and conspiracy in January after prosecutors said they lied about a “buy and bust” operation at a bar in Queens. One of the men they had arrested, on charges of selling the officers drugs, produced video evidence showing that the officers had had no contact with him or three other suspects, prosecutors said. The charges against the men were dropped.
- New York City police officer Maurice Harrington was caught on citizen video hitting Michael Cephus 10 times with a metal baton before charging him with assault. Charges were later dropped. The Manhattan District Attorney’s Office is now investigating Harrington.
- New York City police officer David London was indicted on charges of assault and filing false records after surveillance video showed he pulled a man he had accused of resisting arrest out of an elevator and beat him 18 to 20 times with a baton.
These incidents, which are hardly contained to New York City as any reader of this blog knows, demonstrate why we all need to arm ourselves with compact video cameras when leaving our homes.
It also goes to show you why a South Florida model felt compelled to bring a video camera when she went to pick up her son who had been detained by police earlier this month.
And it makes you wonder how would things have turned out had citizens not videotaped a Bay Area Rapid Transit police officer shooting an unarmed suspect in the back.
According to Bronx District Attorney Robert T. Johnson: “untruthful testimony” from law enforcement officers “strikes at the very heart of our system of justice and seriously erodes public confidence in our courts.”
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57 responses so far ↓
1 Duane Kerzic // Mar 25, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Remember “Cameras for Safety”. You just never know who a camera might keep you safe from.
I was hoping I was on video tape. However there wasn’t a camera pointed at the spot.
2 the bulldog // Mar 25, 2009 at 11:08 AM
so the mathematical equation is easy….
dirty cops=fear cameras
honest cops=dont fear cameras
therefore by the commutative properties of addition…
if a cop wont let u use a camera then chances are he’s DIRTY!
3 holly // Mar 25, 2009 at 11:41 AM
agreed. or doesn’t know the law. from that list up there, it sounds like beat police need to take monthly classes on current law. they also may need to get to know some ethics. morals? something.
there was a post awhile back by someone saying how they always listen and do what police tell them to do. this is an idiotic stance. especially if the police want to hurt you in some way. there has recently been a lot of news about a case here (NYC) where two police are under investigation for raping an intoxicated woman in her apartment. luckily there was a surveillance camera in the area that shows them entering her building 3 times that night. otherwise it would probably be passed off as the ramblings of a drunk.
4 John // Mar 26, 2009 at 9:03 AM
Holly,
That post was probably mine. Except for one or two others I seem to be the only one with a positive view of police in this echo chamber of anti-authoritarian thought.
In answer to your question – yes. Yes I always do what police tell me to do, even if it is idiotic or will hurt me in some way. Especially then. I am a lemming and incapable of rational independent thought.
Or just maybe…
All cops are not criminals so you do not treat them that way. At the very least you give them the same amount of respect and courtesy you would give a stranger on the street. It is possible to have a more enlightened, nuanced support of first ammendment rights other that “all cops are f-ing pigs”. Grow up.
I hope you win your case Carlos. If they look at the facts of the case you really should. The police had no right to force you to move. My guess is that the Miami Herald moves to an entirely online edition within five years and they will feature you prominently if you decide to let them.
5 jones // Mar 26, 2009 at 9:44 AM
I could only find video of the bike incident and the guy getting hit with a baton. The cop in the bike incident appears to be wrong.
The other one clearly shows two officers trying to handcuff a guy who is resisting. He even resist after being hit with the baton several times. It’s funny we see such a short clip, I’m sure whoever was filming didn’t just turn the camera on just before he start hitting him with the baton so what are they trying to hide. This incident is a good example why all cops should carry tasers.
6 Jim Hoerricks // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:02 AM
If an officer gives an order to move to a certain area, just do it. If you feel the need to photograph the scene, get a bigger/faster lens and shoot from across the street.
Officers naturally “fear” having their pictures posted on the internet. Some in patrol may end up in an undercover spot later in their career. Your picture on the net, whilst enjoying your 1st Amendment right to express yourself freely, may end up getting the officer killed if it blows his/her cover. If you get to enjoy your rights at the expense of others, they cease to be rights as such. No one has the right to jeopardize someone’s life.
You can certainly take the shot and post it, but why not split the difference and blur out the faces of the officers as a courtesy to those who do not consent to your activities? Save the original un-blurred version, “just in case.”
7 Bueller // Mar 26, 2009 at 7:20 PM
There is no way in hell that an officer’s possible/maybe/hasn’t happened yet future career trumps my right to take their photo. Their being in public is what is important. And besides, how am I to know if someone in one of my pictures is undercover or not? Your argument is that of someone who is grasping at straws.
8 John // Mar 26, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Jim,
My understanding of Carlos’ case is that he was escorted across the street and told to keep moving. I support the police, believe me, but I cannot think of a legal or logical reason why Carlos didn’t have the right to peacefully stand on the other side of the street taking pictures. He certainly wasn’t impeding whatever investigation was taking place.
What it seems to boil down to is that the cops were pissed off that he disobeyed their commands to leave and they decided to teach him a lesson. Plain and simple. It is certainly hard to justify the level of force used against him.
Carlos is a very polarizing person for a reason I don’t yet understand. Some people (yourself excluded) seem to despise him with a passion that is confusing to me. They think that he is a drama queen and that he has brought all of this on himself. I disagree. I think that, given the circumstances, what he has endured is rather heroic.
My worry is that this event, along with the constant cheering and echo of anti authoritarian thought on this blog, will change how he views the police and permanently give his view of them an unbalanced slant.
As for the pictures- if it was me, once my face hit the pavement any idea of blurring faces would be out. The rule of getting what you put out to others goes both ways.
9 Carlos Miller // Mar 27, 2009 at 2:37 AM
Jim,
There have been times when I accompanied cops on raids back in Arizona and there were always a few undercover cops who asked not to be photographed and I obliged.
But to not take photos of a uniform cop because he might one day work undercover and possibly be investigating one of my readers who just happens to recognize this particular cop from one of many pictures of cops that I post on this site is absurd.
If that were the case, then why are all these cops allowing themselves to get filmed on shows like Cops and First 48?
BTW, welcome to the blog. You have a very interesting blog yourself. You apparently are a Photoshop wiz.
I might learn a thing or two from your blog.
10 Carlos Miller // Mar 27, 2009 at 2:46 AM
John,
It’s funny how you mention my ability to polarize people. It is true.
But I also like to point out that I have an ability to de-polarize people.
Like you for example, a proud conservative knowing I am a proud liberal.
Before my arrest, I never dreamed I would one day run a blog that is about 45/55 republican/democrat.
And speaking of polarizing, many of the people who despise me are so-called liberals. And some of the people who support me a conservatives.
Meanwhile, I am still a liberal but not nearly so partisan about it as I once was.
About the cop thing. Cops are funny people. You catch them at a good time or off work, they can be very friendly and down to earth.
But then you get some on that powertrip who believe they create the laws as they go, then we’re going to have a problem.
11 BigSteve // Mar 27, 2009 at 7:37 PM
You think NYPD is bad? You gotta spend some time with the goons in Philly… They run drugs, hookers and numbers and are on the “payroll.”
12 Carlos Miller // Mar 27, 2009 at 7:43 PM
And on that note, it shouldn’t be surprising that Miami PD is just as bad because they are run by Chief John Timoney, who spent time in both Philly and NY police departments.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2007-09-20/news/john-timoney-america-s-worst-cop/
13 Ladybrinx // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:05 AM
Did anyone see the video on the news on I think thursday night about the professional athlete that was caught speeding trying to get his mother in law to the hospital cause she was dying. When he got her to the emergency room, the cops wouldn’t let him get her in the building even AFTER a nurse told them she really was dying. The mother in law died in the car, because they wouldn’t believe the athlete. The article then said the cops would be reprimanded… reprimanded hell!! they should be thrown in JAIL!! They ALLOWED A WOMAN TO DIE!!! This is ridiculus! I know there are good cops and bad cops, but the bad cops need to be weeded out. I’m glad they are scared of cameras, they should be. As much as I don’t like cameras all over the world myself, I think that if it keeps the bad cops from getting away w/ all this crap then good!
14 Anthony // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Carlos, once again you prove how much you hate America, leave the country you pile of trash. It is people like you that probably smiled and cheered at the death of the four officers in Oakland.
I understand that there are bad people out there, and that there are people in every job that bend the rules, but you sir seem to make it your life long goal to find every bad cop out there. Once again if you hate America that much; leave the country, I would be happy to buy your plane ticket out of here.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
15 Mark Richards // Mar 29, 2009 at 12:44 PM
What really irks me is this- cops are always going on about their surveillance needs and arguing idiocy like “if you’re not doing anything wrong- then what have you got to hide?” But what’s good for the goose is apparently not good for the gander. Cops should be allowed to set up surveillance and tap phones- but they don’t want it to happen to them. You know what? Tough. If you’re not 100% sure you can do your job without breaking the law then you have absolutely no business being a cop.
Cops occupy a position of power- they give you a ticket for speeding- they don’t need any evidence beyond claiming you were speeding. They arrest you for assault- it’s their word against yours and theirs carries more weight. Cops need to be beyond reproach. Unfortunately- a LOT of them are not.
The problem is that cops get away with a lot of stuff and we let them slide. Running red lights by putting on their lights and siren then immediately turning them off on the other side. They going to a call? of course not- they just don’t feel like waiting. Those sorts of little things compound until a lot of officers feel like they have the right to do anything they want.
16 Mark Richards // Mar 29, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Anthony- This is America. Carlos has every right to speak his mind. Telling him to leave because you disagree with him shows just how un-American YOU are.
“but you sir seem to make it your life long goal to find every bad cop out there.”
Which begs the question- Why aren’t you trying to find every bad cop and get rid of them? They’re BAD cops. Every good cop I’ve ever met is disgusted by the bad cops. Why aren’t you? If you had a bad employee you would fire them wouldn’t you? Are cops given a free pass just because they are cops? That’s laughable.
17 Carlos Miller // Mar 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Anthony,
So you worked at LunarPages when I was having all those issues and now you’re revealing your bias against my website to me?
All I have to say is wow.
This is what Anthony just wrote on his site about me:
I write today about a person I had the “joy” of working with when I worked at Lunarpages, Carlos Miller a man that has made it his life goal to find bad cops or good cops and make people think of then badly. The entire call was how “the man” is holding him back, and how he was wronged for photographing a police officer.
I will say this a million times, there is nothing wrong with photographing an officer, especially if this officer is doing something wrong. I bleed to protect our rights, and our laws. However Carlos get a freaking life.
Click here to read the rest of his post.
And here is an example of all the issues I was having with Lunar Pages.
http://carlosmiller.com/2008/11/03/my-latest-and-final-dilemma-with-lunar-pages/
http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/03/in-search-of-a-web-host-company-that-doesnt-suck/
Now the truth comes out as to why I was having all those issues.
18 KopHatter // Mar 29, 2009 at 1:07 PM
Wow these pigs are just wonderful people. We should cut their balls off. Pieces of shit
19 jones // Mar 29, 2009 at 1:19 PM
Ladybrinx – You are truly clueless, go back and read the story before you make a bigger fool out of yourself.
20 Chuck // Mar 29, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Ladybrinx is beyond clueless. The dying woman wasn’t even in the car, she had been in the hospital for days. The NFL driver broke the speed limit, ran red lights and refused to pull over when the cop popped the lights and siren on him. A relative dying in the hospital is not an excuse to drive like a maniac. The NFL idiot was treated with kid gloves. He’s the villain here.
I’m glad the police cited him. He was lucky he wasn’t arrested. He put other people’s lives in jeopardy with his lunatic driving. If his mother in law was so important he shouldn’t have left her in the hospital to go home for dinner.
Ladybrinx is a perfect example of the typically ignorant cop hater. They let their hatred get in the way of facts.
The poor cop that cited that NFL moron is now being thrown under the bus to pacify the slobbering cop haters.
21 Mike // Mar 29, 2009 at 3:01 PM
One word: Panopticon
Watch everyone — let them know they’re being watched — so nobody acts ‘bad.’ (While pretending moral/ethical values are innate, constant, and universal, not relative.)
22 John // Mar 29, 2009 at 3:02 PM
It’s official.
Stupid people can have blogs too.
23 B // Mar 29, 2009 at 4:50 PM
This article goes to show that we need to help free Luke Rudkowski!!! He just got arrested in NYC last night for having a valid press badge and walking into a hotel lobby where mayor bloomberg was. Visit http://www.infowars.com for more information.
24 Mark Richards // Mar 29, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Chuck,
First off- Do you even know the story? He did not drive like a maniac- he approached the light, stopped and waited til traffic cleared then proceded through. He was also perfectly willing to accept the ticket- but he wanted to say goodbye to his mother in law before she died.
“If his mother in law was so important he shouldn’t have left her in the hospital to go home for dinner.” Another laughable comment. You said yourself she was in the hospital for 10 days. What was he supposed to do? Go 10 days without eating or showering? Live in the hospital? Ask any doctor- they never no when someone with cancer might die. They can say 24 hours and the person can live for another month.
So I’m undecided- Are you heartless? Or just a pro-government at all cost moron? I hope one of your parents is in the hospital, dying, and you get pulled over and have to wait for a ticket while (s)he passes. Maybe then you’ll understand- though probably not.
The fact is it’s not about cop hating. I have lots of friends that are cops. It’s about stopping the powertripping moron cops that give the rest of them a bad name. Something all the good cops I know are in favor of.
25 msbpodcast // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:28 PM
The camera is a totally dispassionate observer.
That’s why I carry my little Flip camera with me everywhere.
I can back up anybody, from the officers of the law to the person being falsely accused.
26 Brian // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Mike, I was thinking the EXACT same thing, although we all know foucalt was a little crazy. Anyone know how well these cameras worked in the UK?
27 Anthony // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Carlos, Key word there was “worked” I 100% agree with you Lunarpages is a pile of crap, and I look forward to the day they are shut down for good.
Mark Richards – once again I 100% agree that there are bad people out there, and no matter what there job is they should be brought to justice. However it seems that Mr. Miller here is making it his goal to find anything about anybody and turning it into a “bad cop” and a “bad judge” issue.
The problem with 99% of you 1st amendment crying liberals is that none of you know what it means to stand up for your country, to stand up and defend that right, but to only bitch when you can’t/won’t/or in a split second loose those rights, or you think you lost those rights.
28 Carlos Miller // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Let me guess, Anthony, you were fired from Lunar Pages.
29 Anthony // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Carlos,
Nope sadly I was one the best phone admins they had, would be happy to post the love I got even from the CEO of the company. During your problems I was the one that got the asshats in gear on got your account back up and running.
I left because I did not agree with the company and how they treated customers, and how they would screw over the little guy and force then to upgrade from $4.95/month to $39.95/month because of a few hits from digg, and then blame it on “resource usage” or “outdated software.”
Thanks,
Anthony
30 Carlos Miller // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:32 PM
So we both left Lunar Pages for the same reason.
31 Mark Antony // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Yes. Police Fear Cameras. That’s why they put them in patrol cars.
32 Crime Blog // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Police
33 Allie // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:37 PM
@Mark – I completely agree. The amount of hypocrisy is astounding.
34 Darwin // Mar 30, 2009 at 7:06 AM
Black on black is a greater threat than blue on black violence will ever be
35 alezz // Mar 30, 2009 at 9:15 AM
So we both left Lunar Pages for the same reason..
36 John Hubertz // Mar 30, 2009 at 2:53 PM
This is illegal.
They are breaking the law.
“Governing requires the consent of the Governed”
They just renamed the Freedom tower World Trade Tower – as Freedom is now being profiled as potential homeland security threat word.
So is knowing the constitution
So is claiming rights
HS trainers define “constitutionalists, people who use the words “democracy, rights, bill of rights or claim their “due process” or “probable cause” protections are to considered likely members of dangerous militia groups of citizens
The same training video included the trainer calling Washington, Jefferson and the “whole group of these people” assassins – and enemies of law and order
And he said, that isn’t how it works anymore, in America
Oh yeah? Try me. I’m Gandhi X and I’ll nonviolently put myself IN YOUR WAY cop. TRY to stop liberty now, and freedom and jobs for MY KIDS
37 Chuck // Mar 30, 2009 at 4:08 PM
“Yes. Police Fear Cameras. That’s why they put them in patrol cars.”
Made me smile!
38 hamishcampbell // Mar 30, 2009 at 7:39 PM
The is a big problem here in the UK as well http://policewatch.visionon.tv for films about this.
39 Don // Mar 31, 2009 at 2:52 PM
The simple act of compulsion creates reaction. A cop is a threat to personal freedom and thought. A cop is a symbol. You all can agree that their presence incites fear, even if minute. This stimulus is a form of control and the reaction to control is rebellion. Rebellion on many levels is often a crime. The compensation for crime is corruption (making unlawful deals with authorities for freedom from penalty).
When you make a personal choice based on your own reason for your own personal benefit (victimless), it empowers you with the experience to reason its validity. To cut that freedom off short and criminalize it, is the worst form of control. To give up that personal experience and freedom will do nothing more than turn you into a sacrificial lamb. A slave, if you will. -A man without reason is an animal.
Cops live in immense fear and it is obvious when you see their reactions to behavior they don’t understand. Everyday they think about how to defend themselves, their gun, power in presence, psychology of the criminal mind, etc. This constant thought pattern can create psychosis.
Upholding law is not is not a cops duty, if it were, they would have a degree in law and would be elected.
Think of a cop as a loan shark. He will bust knees to get your money for the boss and that, right there, is their role. To top it all off, WE pay them. Maybe soon, everyone will see usurpers and tyrants for who they are, so keep the cameras rolling!
40 jones // Mar 31, 2009 at 8:21 PM
I want some of whatever John is smoking
41 Jared // Apr 1, 2009 at 8:05 AM
“Every cop is a corrupted scumbag” seems to be the battle cry of the far left. Do you realize how many police officers actually intentionally abuse their power?
42 Mark // Apr 2, 2009 at 6:04 PM
@ Chuck
I’m sure it wasn’t the police officers choice to put the police cameras on their police cars. Thats why they are getting caught doing wrong.
43 John // Apr 3, 2009 at 9:06 PM
Great cases of police officers on candid camera. If you want a really hot Canadian case on this, try googling “robert dzieanski” together with any canadian news site like CBC.ca or globeandmail. There is now a public inquiry ’cause the RCMP clearly lied about killing a poor immigrant….and were exposed because a citizen shot the scene,
44 greghousesgf // Apr 4, 2009 at 1:15 PM
People I don’t even know are always harassing me and trying to take my picture and I’m not even a cop.
45 Christine // Apr 7, 2009 at 6:23 PM
This is all very true. Recently here in Puerto Rico there was a case in which a police officer (Javier Pagán Cruz) shot and killed an innocent civilian for no apparent reason in public. What made the difference in the case was the fact that there was video footage of the incident. If this hadn’t been taped, who knows how the police may have covered up for their official. Officer Pagán was since sentenced to 99 years in prison.
46 John Hubertz // Apr 9, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Folks,
First of all – the police are not and never have been the problem – this does not include pseudo-military swat teams, but officers who provide community policing and the structure that makes that possible.
That is legal – and constitutional.
Virtually all of the law we are currently burdened with – the sale and borrowing against assets and trademark/patent/corporations that have been absorbed into multinats or sold overseas…
patently illegal.
The Bill of Rights is absolute, nonnegotiable and THE law.
It is you see, the law for making legal laws.
April 15th, I am staying home and not engaging in trade of any kind.
For liberty.
I have no politics – my only goal is liberty in our lifetimes, and opportunity, peace and hope for our children.
This idiotic and patently illegal corporate super-state of elite members of professional political parties and families are nothing compared with these sacred words from the Dec of Independence:
“Government requires the consent of the governed.”
Nope – they don’t have mine. Not anymore.
John Hubertz
Patriot
47 kawasaki jet ski // Apr 15, 2009 at 5:02 AM
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and killed an innocent civilian for no apparent reason in public. What made the difference in the case was the fact that there was video footage of the incident. If this hadn’t been taped, who knows how the police may have covered up for their official. Officer Pagán was since sentenced to 99 years in prison.
48 bath mats rugs // Apr 15, 2009 at 5:04 AM
Great cases of police officers on candid camera. If you want a really hot Canadian case on this, try googling “robert dzieanski” welcome to bedding encyclopedia bedding history
together with any canadian news site like CBC.ca or globeandmail. There is now a public inquiry ’cause the RCMP clearly lied about killing a poor immigrant….and were exposed because a citizen shot the scene,
49 bath mats rugs // Apr 15, 2009 at 5:05 AM
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50 Sotsec7 // Aug 5, 2009 at 4:18 AM
I arm my self with a compact 9mm pistol does that count
51 msbpodcast // Aug 5, 2009 at 8:18 AM
A 9mm is ultimately not as powerful as a 35mm.
52 Cooper // Mar 29, 2010 at 4:59 AM
This happens in the U.K. as well, particularly at anti-war or climate change protests. So much for it being an ‘American Problem’.
53 Michael // Jul 14, 2010 at 11:17 AM
Carlos,
In reading your post, and all the comments, you seem like a reasonable guy. I truly do hope things work themselves out to your satisfaction. Just what that satisfaction is, well that’s up to you. Maybe just having it behind you, maybe a 1st amendment fight – it’s up to you with how far it goes. The government is going to have their day, make sure you have yours too. At the post is over a year old now, how about an update on things.
One point I will add, the police employ “dash-cams” across the country. They obviously see the use in recording themselves and whomever they’ve pulled over for later use. While it might be impractical to have 100% coverage, ok, that would be near impossible, the use of some sort of open mic recording would not. At least then there would be a voice record of events. At the very least, our various governments in the U. S. have green-lighted the use of cameras for all sorts of law enforcement.
Let’s put the shoe on the other foot, if someone shot video of a guy beating up an officer, would the police take the same negative view of it? more likely they would call the person a hero and give them some civic award.
The police have every right to expect citizens not to hinder them with their difficult job, but citizens also have the right to observe and report of police activity in the public view.
54 Sarah // Aug 4, 2010 at 7:52 PM
WHY DO COPS *REALLY* FEAR CAMERAS???
BECAUSE THEY ARE (SICK) CONTROL FREAKS, AND YOUR CAMERAS THREATEN THEIR SENSE OF CONTROL.
“Here’s a bit of serendipity. I created an illustration to show why tennis players try to control the tempo of play. Lo and behold! that illustration has other uses!”
“For example, why did John McEnroe interrupt what by the rules is supposed to be “continuous play” for long periods, so that a match didn’t continue until he personally allowed it to?It’s all psychological control tactics. What are control tactics for?”
“Their purpose is to suggest superiority. It’s just a superiority act. The same as with your narcissist.
The purpose of control tactics is to create the illusion of superiority. Superiority is suggested by control, which is suggested by control tactics. This is a mental trick. You must allow the presumption for it to work. But our natural desire to avoid conflict tempts us to do just that, and controllers rely on it.
So, they PRESUME the right to control things they have no right to control (like your feelings and thoughts), and if you don’t confront the imposition, asking them who they think they are, you are playing the role of an inferior with respect to them.
So there — it’s not such a mystery after all.
Note that they thus steer a collision course toward conflict, while normal people try to avoid it. Narcissists don’t mind conflict. They use it. It’s a tool that serves them well, because we hate it and try to avoid it. So, they cross you with the threat of it at every turn. What do you think? What do you feel? What will you wear today? Whatever — the narcissist goes into Imperious Mode and acts like God mad at you for breaking one of his 10 commandments.
To avoid their wrath, you just let them have their way. Then brat is instantly all smiles.
Which is why they like conflict. They confront you with it (or the threat of it) constantly to control you.
In fact, what HUMAN being is supposed to have such rights with respect to us? The right to judge us. The right to determine what we may think and feel?
None, right? Those are (ownership) rights reserved for a god.
And that is why scripture calls letting others do this “idolatry.”"
http://narc-attack.blogspot.com/search?q=hate
55 all american bail bondsman // Aug 7, 2010 at 3:37 AM
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56 Ace_of_Spades // Aug 9, 2010 at 2:53 PM
Skip to one minute mark and watch the next 30 seconds. The U.S. is becoming the PRC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB70mWXrzEE
57 Bob // Aug 9, 2010 at 3:00 PM
Photography Is a crime in Illinois where they prove you can’t have a police state without The State Police
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