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		<title>By: bennett</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/01/21/do-police-have-the-right-to-confiscate-your-camera/#comment-34639</link>
		<dc:creator>bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 07:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I learned the hard way - in 1997, Critical Mass, standing on the side walk in a suit, I was &quot;hit in the camera&quot; by a tac officer - who then pulled me into the street - eventually - 5-10 minute, taken the camera ( only to lose it) and cuff me and toss me in the squad car.  5 hours later,, I was &quot;told what really happened&quot; was that I used my $5,000 Cannon with the 35-350 zoom as a weapon to assault the tac square officer.  Given that up till that moment, was the president of the public private partnership pro police public safety group, the charge was well... does the word perjury seem about right?  Anyway, photographers do not use camera&#039;s as weapons - but a bystander was crippled that day, teh PD started a riot 5 minutes later claiming cyclists used their bikes as weapons, arrested about 140 total, and I realized none of this was a coincidence, but rather a plan.

I never got over it. 

CRITICAL MASS
http://www.brasscheck.com/cm/hall.html
Critical Mass ride</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learned the hard way &#8211; in 1997, Critical Mass, standing on the side walk in a suit, I was &#8220;hit in the camera&#8221; by a tac officer &#8211; who then pulled me into the street &#8211; eventually &#8211; 5-10 minute, taken the camera ( only to lose it) and cuff me and toss me in the squad car.  5 hours later,, I was &#8220;told what really happened&#8221; was that I used my $5,000 Cannon with the 35-350 zoom as a weapon to assault the tac square officer.  Given that up till that moment, was the president of the public private partnership pro police public safety group, the charge was well&#8230; does the word perjury seem about right?  Anyway, photographers do not use camera&#8217;s as weapons &#8211; but a bystander was crippled that day, teh PD started a riot 5 minutes later claiming cyclists used their bikes as weapons, arrested about 140 total, and I realized none of this was a coincidence, but rather a plan.</p>
<p>I never got over it. </p>
<p>CRITICAL MASS<br />
<a href="http://www.brasscheck.com/cm/hall.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.brasscheck.com/cm/hall.html</a><br />
Critical Mass ride</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Zrnchik</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/01/21/do-police-have-the-right-to-confiscate-your-camera/#comment-33935</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Zrnchik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 01:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took a picture of a car accident in Valparaiso, Indiana and was charged with Resisting Law Enforcement, Interferring with Law Enforcement, and Disorderly Conduct.  The first two more serious charges were dismissed by the court and the Disorderly Charge ended a jury acquitting me.  It costs thousands of dollars in legal bills and the police engaged in rampant perjury to get a conviction.  Two 15 year-olds testified and were given more credibility by the jury than  Chief of Police Michael Brickner, Asst Chief Spicer, Patrol Capt Michael Dehaven, Patrol Sergeant Jim Tobey, a fireman and a VPD evidence technician, who all testified.  They ought to be ashamed.  The jury was pretty ignorant about Constitutional Law and was embarassed by a Nigerian who ended up being dismissed by the prosecutor because he understood the Constitution having just immigrated and taken classes in citizenship.  He stated he would never surrender his property and the jury was embarassed by this person&#039;s bravery and wisdom.  Just know that the more cops there are, the more legitmized the perjury will be by a judge who only serves to protect the system and corrupt cops.  It was a jury who saved me.  Screw this country and its fascist police scum.  I served 28 years in the military and now despise this country having seen its true face.  There is no freedom and those who fight for imperialism and fascism are my enemy.  After being acquitted the pig judge refused to expounge my record.  This is the end of the republic and police are our enemy and oppressor.  They will always do the bidding of our political masters.  This country needs a revolution.

Joseph Zrnchik</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took a picture of a car accident in Valparaiso, Indiana and was charged with Resisting Law Enforcement, Interferring with Law Enforcement, and Disorderly Conduct.  The first two more serious charges were dismissed by the court and the Disorderly Charge ended a jury acquitting me.  It costs thousands of dollars in legal bills and the police engaged in rampant perjury to get a conviction.  Two 15 year-olds testified and were given more credibility by the jury than  Chief of Police Michael Brickner, Asst Chief Spicer, Patrol Capt Michael Dehaven, Patrol Sergeant Jim Tobey, a fireman and a VPD evidence technician, who all testified.  They ought to be ashamed.  The jury was pretty ignorant about Constitutional Law and was embarassed by a Nigerian who ended up being dismissed by the prosecutor because he understood the Constitution having just immigrated and taken classes in citizenship.  He stated he would never surrender his property and the jury was embarassed by this person&#8217;s bravery and wisdom.  Just know that the more cops there are, the more legitmized the perjury will be by a judge who only serves to protect the system and corrupt cops.  It was a jury who saved me.  Screw this country and its fascist police scum.  I served 28 years in the military and now despise this country having seen its true face.  There is no freedom and those who fight for imperialism and fascism are my enemy.  After being acquitted the pig judge refused to expounge my record.  This is the end of the republic and police are our enemy and oppressor.  They will always do the bidding of our political masters.  This country needs a revolution.</p>
<p>Joseph Zrnchik</p>
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		<title>By: Newschaser</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/01/21/do-police-have-the-right-to-confiscate-your-camera/#comment-33885</link>
		<dc:creator>Newschaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at the SMT bus station in Moncton NB Canada with my wife watching some cops arresting a guy that just got off a bus and before I knew it 2 undercovers came running at me swearing asking me what the f--k I was doing and made me delete out the pictures from my camera. Took my name and was a real prick while doing this. Next week on TV I see this guy in full uniform with some drug bust on Global News. Rick Tessier from the RCMP Codiac at the time now with District 11 was the officer , called the detachment for his supervisor and he agreed the officer was wrong in what he did but told me if I wanted to do anything about it to get a lawyer LOL since then though no cops have ever done that again but undercovers do come over to me and ask to edit out there faces . Best advice is dont piss off a cop because in the heat of anything happening laws can be forgotten , so be careful nothing worse then be surrounded by a bunch of people that have guns and when cops do something wrong who do you call ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the SMT bus station in Moncton NB Canada with my wife watching some cops arresting a guy that just got off a bus and before I knew it 2 undercovers came running at me swearing asking me what the f&#8211;k I was doing and made me delete out the pictures from my camera. Took my name and was a real prick while doing this. Next week on TV I see this guy in full uniform with some drug bust on Global News. Rick Tessier from the RCMP Codiac at the time now with District 11 was the officer , called the detachment for his supervisor and he agreed the officer was wrong in what he did but told me if I wanted to do anything about it to get a lawyer LOL since then though no cops have ever done that again but undercovers do come over to me and ask to edit out there faces . Best advice is dont piss off a cop because in the heat of anything happening laws can be forgotten , so be careful nothing worse then be surrounded by a bunch of people that have guns and when cops do something wrong who do you call ?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/01/21/do-police-have-the-right-to-confiscate-your-camera/#comment-32734</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 02:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Observations
1. BART is in the SF so, the people&#039;s 2nd amendment rights have already been removed unless you&#039;re politically connected.
2. As Florida Justice and so many before (Brad, et al) have pointed out, the legal system is a government entity and if you&#039;re not a member of the government, you&#039;re taking your chances.
3. San Bernardino County, California (where I grew up) is notoriously corrupt. 
Unfortunately, now LA and SF are housing there parolee and probation populations in the Victor Valley, so we have a higher gang concentration than LA now.
I actually sympathize with the plight of many of the LEO&#039;s but also know that the legal system is not my friend or ally. And there&#039;s too much corruption in the area to trust the cops. 
This becomes especially true when minority cops take sides in favor of similar minorities even when they have no license or insurance.

Some Google terms, coupled with corruption: Sheriff Tidwell, Bill Postmus, Adelanto Mayor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observations<br />
1. BART is in the SF so, the people&#8217;s 2nd amendment rights have already been removed unless you&#8217;re politically connected.<br />
2. As Florida Justice and so many before (Brad, et al) have pointed out, the legal system is a government entity and if you&#8217;re not a member of the government, you&#8217;re taking your chances.<br />
3. San Bernardino County, California (where I grew up) is notoriously corrupt.<br />
Unfortunately, now LA and SF are housing there parolee and probation populations in the Victor Valley, so we have a higher gang concentration than LA now.<br />
I actually sympathize with the plight of many of the LEO&#8217;s but also know that the legal system is not my friend or ally. And there&#8217;s too much corruption in the area to trust the cops.<br />
This becomes especially true when minority cops take sides in favor of similar minorities even when they have no license or insurance.</p>
<p>Some Google terms, coupled with corruption: Sheriff Tidwell, Bill Postmus, Adelanto Mayor</p>
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		<title>By: FloridaJustice</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/01/21/do-police-have-the-right-to-confiscate-your-camera/#comment-32406</link>
		<dc:creator>FloridaJustice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Officer Brad, Prosecutor Lisa, LA Captain III, Vegas Motorcop, ADA and VA Mastertrooper have all done a spectacular job of accurately describing what actually happens inside the legal system. In contrast, some others (in spite of good intentions) have scraped the bottom of their wiki resources with the emotional energy provoked by L&amp;O SVU or The Shield.

If you really feel that the officer on the homicide scene doesn&#039;t have the authority to take your camera into evidence, then challenge him. After you are arrested, in court, submit your television viewing, your blogging and your wiki searches as exhibits of evidence. Feel free to post a printout of this page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Officer Brad, Prosecutor Lisa, LA Captain III, Vegas Motorcop, ADA and VA Mastertrooper have all done a spectacular job of accurately describing what actually happens inside the legal system. In contrast, some others (in spite of good intentions) have scraped the bottom of their wiki resources with the emotional energy provoked by L&amp;O SVU or The Shield.</p>
<p>If you really feel that the officer on the homicide scene doesn&#8217;t have the authority to take your camera into evidence, then challenge him. After you are arrested, in court, submit your television viewing, your blogging and your wiki searches as exhibits of evidence. Feel free to post a printout of this page.</p>
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		<title>By: An Observation</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/01/21/do-police-have-the-right-to-confiscate-your-camera/#comment-27567</link>
		<dc:creator>An Observation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 00:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People like Officer Brad, Prosecutor Lisa, LA Captain III, Vegas Motorcop, ADA  and VA Mastertrooper have no business being in law enforcement.

 Despite what they think of themselves, these are all bullies - plain and simple. 

The proof of that statement is easy: replace the innocent citizens they would coerce, arrest, intimidate, buffalo and threaten with something truly evil - say a 12 foot demon straight out of Hell with fire dripping out of its eyes - and see if they behave the same way with him that they do with a helpless person. All of their behavior is based on one common theme: &quot;I can get away with it!&quot;

 Why do the police treat people from news organizations differently than they do freelancers? Simply the power of the person they are facing. If they figure you are helpless they go for the throat - if you look like you might be a threat to them they back off. 

What disgusting cowards these people are - hiding in posistions of authority.

Prosecutor Lisa seems to believe that a witness has fewer rights than a  suspect, and in the law as she creates it they do:  after all they have no &quot;standing to challenge&quot;. Translated to English her legal thought processes is: &quot;Witnesses  are powerless so I can do whatever I want to them!&quot; 

Those are very normal thought processes - for a psychopath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People like Officer Brad, Prosecutor Lisa, LA Captain III, Vegas Motorcop, ADA  and VA Mastertrooper have no business being in law enforcement.</p>
<p> Despite what they think of themselves, these are all bullies &#8211; plain and simple. </p>
<p>The proof of that statement is easy: replace the innocent citizens they would coerce, arrest, intimidate, buffalo and threaten with something truly evil &#8211; say a 12 foot demon straight out of Hell with fire dripping out of its eyes &#8211; and see if they behave the same way with him that they do with a helpless person. All of their behavior is based on one common theme: &#8220;I can get away with it!&#8221;</p>
<p> Why do the police treat people from news organizations differently than they do freelancers? Simply the power of the person they are facing. If they figure you are helpless they go for the throat &#8211; if you look like you might be a threat to them they back off. </p>
<p>What disgusting cowards these people are &#8211; hiding in posistions of authority.</p>
<p>Prosecutor Lisa seems to believe that a witness has fewer rights than a  suspect, and in the law as she creates it they do:  after all they have no &#8220;standing to challenge&#8221;. Translated to English her legal thought processes is: &#8220;Witnesses  are powerless so I can do whatever I want to them!&#8221; </p>
<p>Those are very normal thought processes &#8211; for a psychopath.</p>
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		<title>By: Florida Sport Bikes Blog</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/01/21/do-police-have-the-right-to-confiscate-your-camera/#comment-22185</link>
		<dc:creator>Florida Sport Bikes Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True Who&#039;s going to stop them?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Who&#8217;s going to stop them?<br />
<span class="cluv"> Florida Sport Bikes Blog´s last blog ..<a href="http://floridasportbikesblog.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/mladin-returning-to-racing/" rel="nofollow">Will Mat Mladin be returning to racing?</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://carlosmiller.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Florida Sport Bikes Blog</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2009/01/21/do-police-have-the-right-to-confiscate-your-camera/#comment-22184</link>
		<dc:creator>Florida Sport Bikes Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s going to stop them?
.-= Florida Sport Bikes Blog´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://floridasportbikesblog.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/mladin-returning-to-racing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Will Mat Mladin be returning to racing?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s going to stop them?<br />
<span class="cluv"> Florida Sport Bikes Blog´s last blog ..<a href="http://floridasportbikesblog.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/mladin-returning-to-racing/" rel="nofollow">Will Mat Mladin be returning to racing?</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://carlosmiller.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: enzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>enzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Brad&quot; wrote:

&quot;...if you have footage you just shot, you are a material witness...there aren’t too many blind cameramen out there so if you have footage, you witnessed what went down also...&quot;

This reckless supposition is nonsense, easily demolished by any good attorney.

In fact, anything captured by the camera is excellent evidence that you DIDN&#039;T witness what &quot;went down.&quot; What you saw instead was a low resolution, limited field-of-view viewfinder reproduction of what &quot;went down&quot; -- at even less than the higher resolution image captured by the camera.

Prosecutors as overreaching as &quot;Officer Brad&quot; could argue that you weren&#039;t looking through the viewfinder while shooting.

Good luck proving THAT to a jury without eliciting laughter...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Brad&#8221; wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;if you have footage you just shot, you are a material witness&#8230;there aren’t too many blind cameramen out there so if you have footage, you witnessed what went down also&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This reckless supposition is nonsense, easily demolished by any good attorney.</p>
<p>In fact, anything captured by the camera is excellent evidence that you DIDN&#8217;T witness what &#8220;went down.&#8221; What you saw instead was a low resolution, limited field-of-view viewfinder reproduction of what &#8220;went down&#8221; &#8212; at even less than the higher resolution image captured by the camera.</p>
<p>Prosecutors as overreaching as &#8220;Officer Brad&#8221; could argue that you weren&#8217;t looking through the viewfinder while shooting.</p>
<p>Good luck proving THAT to a jury without eliciting laughter&#8230;</p>
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