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	<title>Comments on: Who is to blame for the death of a Walmart worker on Black Friday?</title>
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		<title>By: Carlos Miller</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/11/30/who-is-to-blame-for-the-death-of-a-walmart-worker-on-black-friday/#comment-3043</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

It&#039;s about the consumerism that we, as a society, have allowed to permeate our lives. 

About how we, as a society, judge our fellow man by his material possessions.

About how we, as a society, have allowed the day after Thanksgiving, a day where we should just be doing nothing - or at least something we truly enjoy - turn into &quot;Black Friday&quot;, a day that really does nothing but benefit our corporate slave masters.

We, as a society, could easily put a stop to it by just refusing to shop when they tell us to shop.

But no, we allow it, we follow it, we abide by it.

I can go on, Rick, but maybe you&#039;ll get the picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about the consumerism that we, as a society, have allowed to permeate our lives. </p>
<p>About how we, as a society, judge our fellow man by his material possessions.</p>
<p>About how we, as a society, have allowed the day after Thanksgiving, a day where we should just be doing nothing &#8211; or at least something we truly enjoy &#8211; turn into &#8220;Black Friday&#8221;, a day that really does nothing but benefit our corporate slave masters.</p>
<p>We, as a society, could easily put a stop to it by just refusing to shop when they tell us to shop.</p>
<p>But no, we allow it, we follow it, we abide by it.</p>
<p>I can go on, Rick, but maybe you&#8217;ll get the picture.</p>
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		<title>By: genewitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>genewitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think it was symbolic of everyone&#039;s participation and condoning the actions and reactions that allowed this particular event to transpire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think it was symbolic of everyone&#8217;s participation and condoning the actions and reactions that allowed this particular event to transpire.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/11/30/who-is-to-blame-for-the-death-of-a-walmart-worker-on-black-friday/#comment-3040</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Just think about that for a second.&lt;/i&gt;

Okay, just did and I guess the Stones are way too deep for me because I have no idea how these lyrics relate to a Wal-Mart worker getting trampled in Valley Stream, New York.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Just think about that for a second.</i></p>
<p>Okay, just did and I guess the Stones are way too deep for me because I have no idea how these lyrics relate to a Wal-Mart worker getting trampled in Valley Stream, New York.</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: genewitch</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/11/30/who-is-to-blame-for-the-death-of-a-walmart-worker-on-black-friday/#comment-3039</link>
		<dc:creator>genewitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think the real wtf is that he was merely a temp worker. that makes it about 5 times more sad in my brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the real wtf is that he was merely a temp worker. that makes it about 5 times more sad in my brain.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Miller</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/11/30/who-is-to-blame-for-the-death-of-a-walmart-worker-on-black-friday/#comment-3036</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I shouted out,
Who killed the kennedys?
When after all
It was you and me&lt;/em&gt;

You know who killed Jdimytai Damou?

You killed him.
I killed him.
We all killed him.

Just think about that for a second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I shouted out,<br />
Who killed the kennedys?<br />
When after all<br />
It was you and me</em></p>
<p>You know who killed Jdimytai Damou?</p>
<p>You killed him.<br />
I killed him.<br />
We all killed him.</p>
<p>Just think about that for a second.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/11/30/who-is-to-blame-for-the-death-of-a-walmart-worker-on-black-friday/#comment-3035</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Wal-Mart should just limit its big sales to on-line only. Then no one would get killed. Right? How far do we have to go to keep people from acting like animals?

Remember Blue Light specials at K-Mart, Carlos? Amazing how no one was trampled when those lights went off, wasn&#039;t it?

It&#039;s people, Carlos, not the company.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Wal-Mart should just limit its big sales to on-line only. Then no one would get killed. Right? How far do we have to go to keep people from acting like animals?</p>
<p>Remember Blue Light specials at K-Mart, Carlos? Amazing how no one was trampled when those lights went off, wasn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s people, Carlos, not the company.</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>genewitch,

The reason I posted what the conservative said is because he confirmed there were limited supplies. That whole thing about the benefits is a subject for a different debate on a different day.

And being the loyal Walmart worker, he refused to blame Walmart for the low supply but rather the distributor.

But regardless of whose fault it is for the low supply, it really doesn&#039;t make business sense because all these companies are out to sell as much as possible, especially on Black Friday.

So I have a hard time believing that these companies would not stock up on these products knowing they are going to be sell throughout the day.

I have a hard time believing that these companies only supply enough products to last the first hour.

The shooting I heard about was gang-related, so from what I read, it really didn&#039;t have to do with fighting over a product but to gang colors.

I know Fry&#039;s Electronics well because I used to live out west. 

Regardless if their methods for advertising are legal or not, it is clearly a bait and switch tactic, which is not legal. Nor ethical.

And I never said the people were innocent in this matter. But these people in NY are from a low-income area. To them, saving 50 bucks on whatever product it is that Walmart is selling is a big deal.

So Walmart exploited that into creating the hype that ultimately killed this guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>genewitch,</p>
<p>The reason I posted what the conservative said is because he confirmed there were limited supplies. That whole thing about the benefits is a subject for a different debate on a different day.</p>
<p>And being the loyal Walmart worker, he refused to blame Walmart for the low supply but rather the distributor.</p>
<p>But regardless of whose fault it is for the low supply, it really doesn&#8217;t make business sense because all these companies are out to sell as much as possible, especially on Black Friday.</p>
<p>So I have a hard time believing that these companies would not stock up on these products knowing they are going to be sell throughout the day.</p>
<p>I have a hard time believing that these companies only supply enough products to last the first hour.</p>
<p>The shooting I heard about was gang-related, so from what I read, it really didn&#8217;t have to do with fighting over a product but to gang colors.</p>
<p>I know Fry&#8217;s Electronics well because I used to live out west. </p>
<p>Regardless if their methods for advertising are legal or not, it is clearly a bait and switch tactic, which is not legal. Nor ethical.</p>
<p>And I never said the people were innocent in this matter. But these people in NY are from a low-income area. To them, saving 50 bucks on whatever product it is that Walmart is selling is a big deal.</p>
<p>So Walmart exploited that into creating the hype that ultimately killed this guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Miller</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/11/30/who-is-to-blame-for-the-death-of-a-walmart-worker-on-black-friday/#comment-3033</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scg,

Thanks! And of course the people who let themselves get manipulated by the corporations are also to blame. But we all know most people are like puppets waiting for someone to pull their strings.

Rick,

It is a given that those people who did the trampling are clearly at fault. They did the trampling after all. I never once said that they are innocent in this matter.

What I said, Rick, is that Walmart has a responsibility to ensure safety in their store. And knowing that there was the potential for customers to act like a herd of animals during feeding time, they could have taken some preventive measures.

You ask what Walmart could have done differently?

Perhaps instead of selling a handful of products at 50 percent off for only the first hour (or whatever it is they do), they could sell their whole supply of that particular product at 15 percent off throughout the entire day.

In the end, their profit on that particular product should be the same.

But of course that will just make the Black Friday sale like any other sale throughout the year, so they needed to do it this way in order to ensure that the people would sleep off their turkey hangovers and be at the store at 4 fucking a.m.

So they created the hype. And they added to the hype by posting that sign that said “blitz line starts here”. And they did nothing to control the hype by maybe hiring security guards for crowd control.

In the end, Walmart did everything at no or low cost. That’s their business model. And that’s what got that worker killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scg,</p>
<p>Thanks! And of course the people who let themselves get manipulated by the corporations are also to blame. But we all know most people are like puppets waiting for someone to pull their strings.</p>
<p>Rick,</p>
<p>It is a given that those people who did the trampling are clearly at fault. They did the trampling after all. I never once said that they are innocent in this matter.</p>
<p>What I said, Rick, is that Walmart has a responsibility to ensure safety in their store. And knowing that there was the potential for customers to act like a herd of animals during feeding time, they could have taken some preventive measures.</p>
<p>You ask what Walmart could have done differently?</p>
<p>Perhaps instead of selling a handful of products at 50 percent off for only the first hour (or whatever it is they do), they could sell their whole supply of that particular product at 15 percent off throughout the entire day.</p>
<p>In the end, their profit on that particular product should be the same.</p>
<p>But of course that will just make the Black Friday sale like any other sale throughout the year, so they needed to do it this way in order to ensure that the people would sleep off their turkey hangovers and be at the store at 4 fucking a.m.</p>
<p>So they created the hype. And they added to the hype by posting that sign that said “blitz line starts here”. And they did nothing to control the hype by maybe hiring security guards for crowd control.</p>
<p>In the end, Walmart did everything at no or low cost. That’s their business model. And that’s what got that worker killed.</p>
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		<title>By: genewitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>genewitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh, it deleted a bit of my content in that post. because i put it in the angle brackets.

For the record, i&#039;ve worked retail at two different places on black friday, including circuit city which is renowned for its huge sales... and there have been long lines and stuff. They can&#039;t stock many at &quot;those prices&quot; because they&#039;re under cost. Being from the east coast (and south) - i wouldn&#039;t expect you to know what a Fry&#039;s Electronics is... but they do this every week... yes, every WEEK with their print ads. they have like 4 items that they sneak into the ad that are really amazing deals, and when you get to your local fry&#039;s they&#039;re always sold out. because each store only had 3 at that price.

As far as i know, truth in advertising as far as &quot;how many are in stock&quot; only applies to car dealerships, as they&#039;re the only ones i ever hear mentioning the inventory count on any medium.

i&#039;ll step down from the soapbox, now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh, it deleted a bit of my content in that post. because i put it in the angle brackets.</p>
<p>For the record, i&#8217;ve worked retail at two different places on black friday, including circuit city which is renowned for its huge sales&#8230; and there have been long lines and stuff. They can&#8217;t stock many at &#8220;those prices&#8221; because they&#8217;re under cost. Being from the east coast (and south) &#8211; i wouldn&#8217;t expect you to know what a Fry&#8217;s Electronics is&#8230; but they do this every week&#8230; yes, every WEEK with their print ads. they have like 4 items that they sneak into the ad that are really amazing deals, and when you get to your local fry&#8217;s they&#8217;re always sold out. because each store only had 3 at that price.</p>
<p>As far as i know, truth in advertising as far as &#8220;how many are in stock&#8221; only applies to car dealerships, as they&#8217;re the only ones i ever hear mentioning the inventory count on any medium.</p>
<p>i&#8217;ll step down from the soapbox, now.</p>
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