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	<title>Comments on: Fiction writer ordered not to photograph grave of H.P. Lovecraft</title>
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	<description>It's a First Amendment Right</description>
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		<title>By: Double Bass Strings</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/25/fiction-writer-ordered-not-to-photograph-grave-of-hp-lovecraft/#comment-27479</link>
		<dc:creator>Double Bass Strings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 08:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: biff mcgriff</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/25/fiction-writer-ordered-not-to-photograph-grave-of-hp-lovecraft/#comment-21114</link>
		<dc:creator>biff mcgriff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>loser</description>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/25/fiction-writer-ordered-not-to-photograph-grave-of-hp-lovecraft/#comment-15825</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having visited both the cemetary itself and their website, I can find no mention of any policy that forbids photography (though they are very clear about what sort of behavior they expect from visitors). 

Sounds to me like the guard was just pissed than two lesbians were visiting the grave of a world-renowned author and public figure.  He should have shuffled off to wherever he came from and continued drinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having visited both the cemetary itself and their website, I can find no mention of any policy that forbids photography (though they are very clear about what sort of behavior they expect from visitors). </p>
<p>Sounds to me like the guard was just pissed than two lesbians were visiting the grave of a world-renowned author and public figure.  He should have shuffled off to wherever he came from and continued drinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Donovan K. Loucks</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/25/fiction-writer-ordered-not-to-photograph-grave-of-hp-lovecraft/#comment-2084</link>
		<dc:creator>Donovan K. Loucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torgeaux,

Well put.  This issue at hand here has nothing to do with photographer&#039;s rights or the First Amendment.  It has to do with the fact that the security guard was a jerk and Kiernan didn&#039;t like that.  Boo hoo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torgeaux,</p>
<p>Well put.  This issue at hand here has nothing to do with photographer&#8217;s rights or the First Amendment.  It has to do with the fact that the security guard was a jerk and Kiernan didn&#8217;t like that.  Boo hoo.</p>
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		<title>By: torgeaux</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/25/fiction-writer-ordered-not-to-photograph-grave-of-hp-lovecraft/#comment-2077</link>
		<dc:creator>torgeaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, they can lawfully restrict photography.  But for having famous dead people there, no one would be surprised at a cemetery not allowing photography.  

If it&#039;s clearly posted, the security guard would have been correct to tell them the policy and ask them to comply.  The real issue here seems to be not that the guard was enforcing an unpopular policy, but that he was being a prick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, they can lawfully restrict photography.  But for having famous dead people there, no one would be surprised at a cemetery not allowing photography.  </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s clearly posted, the security guard would have been correct to tell them the policy and ask them to comply.  The real issue here seems to be not that the guard was enforcing an unpopular policy, but that he was being a prick.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Miller</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/25/fiction-writer-ordered-not-to-photograph-grave-of-hp-lovecraft/#comment-2076</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;And thanks for not getting hot under the collar given your history with this kind of issue. It’s easy to get worked up about this stuff, and everyone’s lack of concern over Swan Point’s private property rights has me kind of steamed. I really dislike it when people start telling others what they can and can’t do with their private property.&lt;/em&gt;

I do get worked up about this, but I prefer to channel it through actual discussion rather than personal insults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>And thanks for not getting hot under the collar given your history with this kind of issue. It’s easy to get worked up about this stuff, and everyone’s lack of concern over Swan Point’s private property rights has me kind of steamed. I really dislike it when people start telling others what they can and can’t do with their private property.</em></p>
<p>I do get worked up about this, but I prefer to channel it through actual discussion rather than personal insults.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Miller</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/25/fiction-writer-ordered-not-to-photograph-grave-of-hp-lovecraft/#comment-2075</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Is Swan Point Cemetery allowed to institute restrictions on the behavior of those who are permitted on their private property?&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m not a lawyer, but I play one on the Internet.

I think your question would better be answered by those readers with law degrees. There are a few.

I personally believe the cemetery is allowed to impose certain restrictions, but I don&#039;t believe they should be given the green light to restrict whatever they want.

Sure they can restrict alcoholic beverages, but should they restrict photography, which is protected under the First Amendment?

Then what else are they going to restrict? Hand-holding? Kissing? Praying?

There is just no common sense in them banning photography, especially considering the way they hype up the cemetery on their website through &lt;a href=&quot;http://swanpointcemetery.com/photoalbum.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;photographs.&lt;/a&gt;

What if I wanted to photograph one of my relative&#039;s graves for memories? Are they going to kick me out?

What if I was photographing a funeral, which I&#039;ve done before with the consent of the family? 

Would the security guards drag me out during the burial?

You, as a fan of Lovecraft, could probably understand why people might want to photograph his grave.

As a Doors fan, I visited Jim Morrison&#039;s grave twice in Paris, which was actually protected by a uniformed guard. However, he didn&#039;t raise an issue when I photographed the grave.

And the cemetery guards didn&#039;t mind that I also photographed Oscar Wilde&#039;s grave in that same cemetery, as well as the graves of Sarah Bernhardt and Frederic Chopin.

Perhaps Paris is more progressive than Providence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Is Swan Point Cemetery allowed to institute restrictions on the behavior of those who are permitted on their private property?</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer, but I play one on the Internet.</p>
<p>I think your question would better be answered by those readers with law degrees. There are a few.</p>
<p>I personally believe the cemetery is allowed to impose certain restrictions, but I don&#8217;t believe they should be given the green light to restrict whatever they want.</p>
<p>Sure they can restrict alcoholic beverages, but should they restrict photography, which is protected under the First Amendment?</p>
<p>Then what else are they going to restrict? Hand-holding? Kissing? Praying?</p>
<p>There is just no common sense in them banning photography, especially considering the way they hype up the cemetery on their website through <a href="http://swanpointcemetery.com/photoalbum.asp" rel="nofollow">photographs.</a></p>
<p>What if I wanted to photograph one of my relative&#8217;s graves for memories? Are they going to kick me out?</p>
<p>What if I was photographing a funeral, which I&#8217;ve done before with the consent of the family? </p>
<p>Would the security guards drag me out during the burial?</p>
<p>You, as a fan of Lovecraft, could probably understand why people might want to photograph his grave.</p>
<p>As a Doors fan, I visited Jim Morrison&#8217;s grave twice in Paris, which was actually protected by a uniformed guard. However, he didn&#8217;t raise an issue when I photographed the grave.</p>
<p>And the cemetery guards didn&#8217;t mind that I also photographed Oscar Wilde&#8217;s grave in that same cemetery, as well as the graves of Sarah Bernhardt and Frederic Chopin.</p>
<p>Perhaps Paris is more progressive than Providence.</p>
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		<title>By: Donovan K. Loucks</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/25/fiction-writer-ordered-not-to-photograph-grave-of-hp-lovecraft/#comment-2074</link>
		<dc:creator>Donovan K. Loucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link!  And thanks for not getting hot under the collar given your history with this kind of issue.  It&#039;s easy to get worked up about this stuff, and everyone&#039;s lack of concern over Swan Point&#039;s private property rights has me kind of steamed.  I really dislike it when people start telling others what they can and can&#039;t do with their private property.

As for photos of Lovecraft&#039;s grave, I did post one several (perhaps eight?) years ago:

http://www.hplovecraft.com/creation/sites/rhode.asp#Providence

This was long before it was Swan Point&#039;s policy to disallow photography on their grounds.  As I mentioned earlier, I have taken photographs on their grounds since then and, despite violating their policies, I support them.  It&#039;s their private property and if they want to eject people -- or even prosecute them (though I doubt they&#039;d do so) -- for violating those policies, I think they&#039;re entirely within their rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link!  And thanks for not getting hot under the collar given your history with this kind of issue.  It&#8217;s easy to get worked up about this stuff, and everyone&#8217;s lack of concern over Swan Point&#8217;s private property rights has me kind of steamed.  I really dislike it when people start telling others what they can and can&#8217;t do with their private property.</p>
<p>As for photos of Lovecraft&#8217;s grave, I did post one several (perhaps eight?) years ago:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hplovecraft.com/creation/sites/rhode.asp#Providence" rel="nofollow">http://www.hplovecraft.com/creation/sites/rhode.asp#Providence</a></p>
<p>This was long before it was Swan Point&#8217;s policy to disallow photography on their grounds.  As I mentioned earlier, I have taken photographs on their grounds since then and, despite violating their policies, I support them.  It&#8217;s their private property and if they want to eject people &#8212; or even prosecute them (though I doubt they&#8217;d do so) &#8212; for violating those policies, I think they&#8217;re entirely within their rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Miller</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/25/fiction-writer-ordered-not-to-photograph-grave-of-hp-lovecraft/#comment-2073</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donovan,

Why not post some of your photos of Lovecraft&#039;s grave on your site?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donovan,</p>
<p>Why not post some of your photos of Lovecraft&#8217;s grave on your site?</p>
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