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	<title>Comments on: NYC council members urge probe against NYPD as second video emerges</title>
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		<title>By: Alogon</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/12/nyc-council-members-urge-probe-against-nypd-as-second-video-emerges/#comment-35504</link>
		<dc:creator>Alogon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roxana - that sounds surreal! I take you at your word and believe you believe your friend is telling the absolute truth (unless you were there). If it was me in your friend&#039;s place, I would have told the &quot;officer&quot; to go ahead and shoot me but I would not be getting medical attention I didn&#039;t want. Seems rather stupid (no surprise) to threaten harm to someone in order to force them to receive medical attention. 
That cop is guilty, according to the law, for assault with a weapon, brandishing a firearm and in violation of some police codes I am sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roxana &#8211; that sounds surreal! I take you at your word and believe you believe your friend is telling the absolute truth (unless you were there). If it was me in your friend&#8217;s place, I would have told the &#8220;officer&#8221; to go ahead and shoot me but I would not be getting medical attention I didn&#8217;t want. Seems rather stupid (no surprise) to threaten harm to someone in order to force them to receive medical attention.<br />
That cop is guilty, according to the law, for assault with a weapon, brandishing a firearm and in violation of some police codes I am sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Roxana</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/12/nyc-council-members-urge-probe-against-nypd-as-second-video-emerges/#comment-34259</link>
		<dc:creator>Roxana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The police are not limited to harassing bicyclist - seems like they feel they can harass or assault any one of us! 

Just the other night -- a friend of mine who was clearly in shock and was resisting medical treatment had a gun put to his head to allow ems to examine him.  
Or how about the constant stop and frisk they do to my teenage boys just because they are in front of my home -- they look for any excuse to assert force or violate our rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The police are not limited to harassing bicyclist &#8211; seems like they feel they can harass or assault any one of us! </p>
<p>Just the other night &#8212; a friend of mine who was clearly in shock and was resisting medical treatment had a gun put to his head to allow ems to examine him.<br />
Or how about the constant stop and frisk they do to my teenage boys just because they are in front of my home &#8212; they look for any excuse to assert force or violate our rights.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/12/nyc-council-members-urge-probe-against-nypd-as-second-video-emerges/#comment-33975</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how the police report states at the top: &quot;The people of the state of New York vs. Joyce Lin&quot; when the people of the state of New York were chanting &quot;let her go.&quot;

Obviously, a mob on your side doesn&#039;t excuse a legitimate arrest, I just thought it was a silly when I noticed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how the police report states at the top: &#8220;The people of the state of New York vs. Joyce Lin&#8221; when the people of the state of New York were chanting &#8220;let her go.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously, a mob on your side doesn&#8217;t excuse a legitimate arrest, I just thought it was a silly when I noticed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/12/nyc-council-members-urge-probe-against-nypd-as-second-video-emerges/#comment-23309</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 14:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She resisted arrest? Seems to me she was resisting assault. I love how the cops work: they assault you then if you defend yourself it&#039;s resisting arrest. Too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She resisted arrest? Seems to me she was resisting assault. I love how the cops work: they assault you then if you defend yourself it&#8217;s resisting arrest. Too much.</p>
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		<title>By: RWA</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/12/nyc-council-members-urge-probe-against-nypd-as-second-video-emerges/#comment-3394</link>
		<dc:creator>RWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the greatest respect for conscientious &quot;good Cops&quot; and the concept of Law and Order within the framework of the U.S. Constitution.  However, I have extreem and utter CONTEMPT for sadistic, ego-maniacial, power and control freaks who couldn&#039;t care less about the oath they took as long as they can get their jollies off by abusing others, their authority, and the Constitution.  Such &quot;people&quot; are nothing more than pathetic, Gestapo thug wannabees who get into law enforcement as &quot;the next best thing.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the greatest respect for conscientious &#8220;good Cops&#8221; and the concept of Law and Order within the framework of the U.S. Constitution.  However, I have extreem and utter CONTEMPT for sadistic, ego-maniacial, power and control freaks who couldn&#8217;t care less about the oath they took as long as they can get their jollies off by abusing others, their authority, and the Constitution.  Such &#8220;people&#8221; are nothing more than pathetic, Gestapo thug wannabees who get into law enforcement as &#8220;the next best thing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Maz</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/12/nyc-council-members-urge-probe-against-nypd-as-second-video-emerges/#comment-1971</link>
		<dc:creator>Maz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They probably did after she was actually in cuffs...  Why waste breath?

But I&#039;m more concerned on when its feasible to resist arrest.  No offense, but if I&#039;m aware of my rights and they have not charged me, I&#039;m disinclined to allow myself to be lead away and then detained for 24 hours or more.  Just because an officer doesn&#039;t know the law?

Carlos is a good example of how hard it is to fight the system, and how damaging it is personally and financially.  Again, I&#039;m of the personal opinion that if I have to fight to prove I was arrested wrongly, even criminally, then I&#039;d like to see a cop fired at the least, jail time at the worst.  If a Sword of Damocles were over their head for taking the job, you&#039;d probably see fewer thugs as cops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They probably did after she was actually in cuffs&#8230;  Why waste breath?</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m more concerned on when its feasible to resist arrest.  No offense, but if I&#8217;m aware of my rights and they have not charged me, I&#8217;m disinclined to allow myself to be lead away and then detained for 24 hours or more.  Just because an officer doesn&#8217;t know the law?</p>
<p>Carlos is a good example of how hard it is to fight the system, and how damaging it is personally and financially.  Again, I&#8217;m of the personal opinion that if I have to fight to prove I was arrested wrongly, even criminally, then I&#8217;d like to see a cop fired at the least, jail time at the worst.  If a Sword of Damocles were over their head for taking the job, you&#8217;d probably see fewer thugs as cops.</p>
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		<title>By: Krystel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krystel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joyce Lin didn&#039;t resist arrest because the officers never told her or clarified to her that she was under arrest. They nearly jumped all on top of her to hold her down. I never heard even one of those bonehead, crooked cops read her her rights, did you? This is all just so stupid and upsetting. To think this is happening in the U.S. Ugh. Poor innocent cyclists; I hope they sue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joyce Lin didn&#8217;t resist arrest because the officers never told her or clarified to her that she was under arrest. They nearly jumped all on top of her to hold her down. I never heard even one of those bonehead, crooked cops read her her rights, did you? This is all just so stupid and upsetting. To think this is happening in the U.S. Ugh. Poor innocent cyclists; I hope they sue.</p>
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		<title>By: genewitch</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/12/nyc-council-members-urge-probe-against-nypd-as-second-video-emerges/#comment-1960</link>
		<dc:creator>genewitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>torgeaux: how can they prosecute you for resisting arrest IF YOU WEREN&#039;T SUPPOSED TO BE ARRESTED?

Errrrrr... It&#039;s like them prosecuting you for breaking someone&#039;s hand because they punched you...

Does that make sense?

If you read my last paragraph again... I said resisting arrest if you are guilty is not OK, as in you shouldn&#039;t do it. Because then they&#039;ll add that to your list of offenses (as they did in carlos&#039; case).
If however, you didn&#039;t do anything unlawful or illegal and you are never prosecuted for doing the stuff that you supposedly got arrested for, then you can&#039;t be charged with resisting arrest. Because the arrest was unwarranted and unlawful and yadda yadda yadda. Trust me, if Lin wanted to fight the charges, all she&#039;d have to do is say the arrest was unlawful and the rest would get dropped. Fruit of the poisoned tree. (perhaps you&#039;ve heard that?) Likewise, if Lin goes to trial, and they drop the other charges, they&#039;d be forced to drop &quot;resisting arrest&quot; as well, as there wouldn&#039;t have been resistance to arrest if the arrest had never happened, would there?

errrrr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>torgeaux: how can they prosecute you for resisting arrest IF YOU WEREN&#8217;T SUPPOSED TO BE ARRESTED?</p>
<p>Errrrrr&#8230; It&#8217;s like them prosecuting you for breaking someone&#8217;s hand because they punched you&#8230;</p>
<p>Does that make sense?</p>
<p>If you read my last paragraph again&#8230; I said resisting arrest if you are guilty is not OK, as in you shouldn&#8217;t do it. Because then they&#8217;ll add that to your list of offenses (as they did in carlos&#8217; case).<br />
If however, you didn&#8217;t do anything unlawful or illegal and you are never prosecuted for doing the stuff that you supposedly got arrested for, then you can&#8217;t be charged with resisting arrest. Because the arrest was unwarranted and unlawful and yadda yadda yadda. Trust me, if Lin wanted to fight the charges, all she&#8217;d have to do is say the arrest was unlawful and the rest would get dropped. Fruit of the poisoned tree. (perhaps you&#8217;ve heard that?) Likewise, if Lin goes to trial, and they drop the other charges, they&#8217;d be forced to drop &#8220;resisting arrest&#8221; as well, as there wouldn&#8217;t have been resistance to arrest if the arrest had never happened, would there?</p>
<p>errrrr.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Rhodes</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/08/12/nyc-council-members-urge-probe-against-nypd-as-second-video-emerges/#comment-1958</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Rhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot believe what I am seeing in NYC.
What was once the best police department in the world seems to have lost it&#039;s collective mind.
I am so glad I moved from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot believe what I am seeing in NYC.<br />
What was once the best police department in the world seems to have lost it&#8217;s collective mind.<br />
I am so glad I moved from there.</p>
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