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		<title>By: Henry Gomez</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/03/12/why-i-removed-the-previous-blog-post/#comment-884</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Gomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 02:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nonee misses the point again.

Carlos, you like everyone have a first amendment right to post whatever you want whenever you want.  The Post also has a right to use you or to not use you.  They have the right to dictate the terms under which they will continue to use you.  You had a right to disagree with them and no longer work for them but you also had a right to agree to their terms.  That&#039;s not a violation of your free speech rights.  The mission of your blog speaks to what our rights are about.  The first amendment was written to protect us from the government (in your case the police) not from our employers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonee misses the point again.</p>
<p>Carlos, you like everyone have a first amendment right to post whatever you want whenever you want.  The Post also has a right to use you or to not use you.  They have the right to dictate the terms under which they will continue to use you.  You had a right to disagree with them and no longer work for them but you also had a right to agree to their terms.  That&#8217;s not a violation of your free speech rights.  The mission of your blog speaks to what our rights are about.  The first amendment was written to protect us from the government (in your case the police) not from our employers.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Miller</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/03/12/why-i-removed-the-previous-blog-post/#comment-813</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>genewitch,

You&#039;re not a jackass. I appreciate your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>genewitch,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not a jackass. I appreciate your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: genewitch</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/03/12/why-i-removed-the-previous-blog-post/#comment-812</link>
		<dc:creator>genewitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m a jackass, pardon me. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m a jackass, pardon me. <img src='http://carlosmiller.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Miller</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/03/12/why-i-removed-the-previous-blog-post/#comment-794</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>genewitch,

Comments go into mod limbo if there are two or more links included. 

Thanks for the links, but I already have that link of my site on the right hand column.

I&#039;ve tried using that on cops and it really doesn&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>genewitch,</p>
<p>Comments go into mod limbo if there are two or more links included. </p>
<p>Thanks for the links, but I already have that link of my site on the right hand column.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried using that on cops and it really doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: genewitch</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/03/12/why-i-removed-the-previous-blog-post/#comment-793</link>
		<dc:creator>genewitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>comment is in mod limbo, can we do something about that? i&#039;m not a spammer, honestly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>comment is in mod limbo, can we do something about that? i&#8217;m not a spammer, honestly.</p>
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		<title>By: The Teacher&#8217;s Mailroom : The fucking police in Palm Beach already [1]</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/03/12/why-i-removed-the-previous-blog-post/#comment-792</link>
		<dc:creator>The Teacher&#8217;s Mailroom : The fucking police in Palm Beach already [1]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Christ, the fucking police in Palm Beach. I mean, really? (via) Update: Carlos deleted the post. Here&#8217;s why. The gist was that he was on assignment to photograph a mansion, cops were called in and told him [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Christ, the fucking police in Palm Beach. I mean, really? (via) Update: Carlos deleted the post. Here&#8217;s why. The gist was that he was on assignment to photograph a mansion, cops were called in and told him [...]</p>
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		<title>By: genewitch</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/03/12/why-i-removed-the-previous-blog-post/#comment-791</link>
		<dc:creator>genewitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>since this evidently went under the radar last time:
Photographer&#039;s Bill of Rights:
http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm

and the printable PDF:
http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf

don&#039;t need press ID, just hand them a laminated copy with the relevant parts highlighted and be on your way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>since this evidently went under the radar last time:<br />
Photographer&#8217;s Bill of Rights:<br />
<a href="http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm</a></p>
<p>and the printable PDF:<br />
<a href="http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf</a></p>
<p>don&#8217;t need press ID, just hand them a laminated copy with the relevant parts highlighted and be on your way.</p>
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		<title>By: OldProfessorBear</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/03/12/why-i-removed-the-previous-blog-post/#comment-790</link>
		<dc:creator>OldProfessorBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta make a living somehow. Too bad it has to be the NYPost, second suckiest paper in the country (Boston Herald being #1).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta make a living somehow. Too bad it has to be the NYPost, second suckiest paper in the country (Boston Herald being #1).</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Miller</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/03/12/why-i-removed-the-previous-blog-post/#comment-789</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>genewitch,

I have complete ownership of my photos. That is not even part of the question. 

The issue was the content, not the photos. 

Because I didn&#039;t sign a contract, I was under no legal obligation to remove the post.

But they are also under no obligation to hire me for future assignments.

I was not forced to remove the blog post. I chose to remove the blog post.

In doing so, I considered my options:

1) Refuse to remove the post and enjoy that traffic and attention it gets for about three or four days. 

But then piss the editor off to the point where I will never get hired again.

or

2) Remove the post, provide an explanation to my readers and show the NY Post that I am willing to cooperate with whatever requirements they have, even though I never signed a contract. 

The NY Post pays very well. They have the ninth highest circulation in the country. Continuous work from them will lead to work in even larger publications.

I doubt this situation was even brought to the attention of the NY Post legal team.

What happened was that I emailed the editor the post, thinking he would appreciate it. 

He emailed me back in seconds informing me that whatever happens to me while on assignment for the Post is only for publication in the Post.

It was more of an automated response more than anything else. And there was never a mention of the photos.

The fact that I made him aware of the blog post put him in a position where he had to inform me of the company policy, if only to protect his own ass.

In hindsight, I should have never even sent the post to him in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>genewitch,</p>
<p>I have complete ownership of my photos. That is not even part of the question. </p>
<p>The issue was the content, not the photos. </p>
<p>Because I didn&#8217;t sign a contract, I was under no legal obligation to remove the post.</p>
<p>But they are also under no obligation to hire me for future assignments.</p>
<p>I was not forced to remove the blog post. I chose to remove the blog post.</p>
<p>In doing so, I considered my options:</p>
<p>1) Refuse to remove the post and enjoy that traffic and attention it gets for about three or four days. </p>
<p>But then piss the editor off to the point where I will never get hired again.</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>2) Remove the post, provide an explanation to my readers and show the NY Post that I am willing to cooperate with whatever requirements they have, even though I never signed a contract. </p>
<p>The NY Post pays very well. They have the ninth highest circulation in the country. Continuous work from them will lead to work in even larger publications.</p>
<p>I doubt this situation was even brought to the attention of the NY Post legal team.</p>
<p>What happened was that I emailed the editor the post, thinking he would appreciate it. </p>
<p>He emailed me back in seconds informing me that whatever happens to me while on assignment for the Post is only for publication in the Post.</p>
<p>It was more of an automated response more than anything else. And there was never a mention of the photos.</p>
<p>The fact that I made him aware of the blog post put him in a position where he had to inform me of the company policy, if only to protect his own ass.</p>
<p>In hindsight, I should have never even sent the post to him in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: genewitch</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/03/12/why-i-removed-the-previous-blog-post/#comment-788</link>
		<dc:creator>genewitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AFAIK if you&#039;re not allowed to publish what happens to you while on assignment for the post, then you don&#039;t have ownership of the photographs. seeing as how they wouldn&#039;t (i assume) let you republish those photos elsewhere (on your journal, for instance). It can&#039;t be both ways. If the picture is yours, then what happened is yours to talk about too (especially if you didn&#039;t sign a contract) - even though i get your desire to continue to do work for this company in the future.

I have a feeling the legal team was concerned  that whatever you took pictures of were going to sue. this sentence made a lot more sense before i obfuscated what i had originally said.

did you even read the comments i had posted under that blog post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AFAIK if you&#8217;re not allowed to publish what happens to you while on assignment for the post, then you don&#8217;t have ownership of the photographs. seeing as how they wouldn&#8217;t (i assume) let you republish those photos elsewhere (on your journal, for instance). It can&#8217;t be both ways. If the picture is yours, then what happened is yours to talk about too (especially if you didn&#8217;t sign a contract) &#8211; even though i get your desire to continue to do work for this company in the future.</p>
<p>I have a feeling the legal team was concerned  that whatever you took pictures of were going to sue. this sentence made a lot more sense before i obfuscated what i had originally said.</p>
<p>did you even read the comments i had posted under that blog post?</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Miller</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/03/12/why-i-removed-the-previous-blog-post/#comment-787</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms C,

I was wondering if you were being sarcastic, but I wasn&#039;t sure. It is hard sometimes to decipher sarcasm on the internet because sarcasm depends so much on the tone of delivery.

That is why people use the little smileys like Nonee did in this thread.

FerfelaBat,

Usually employees of newspapers are under different rules than contract workers.

For example, if I was on staff for the New York Post, any picture I take would be their property.

But as a freelancer, I maintain ownership of all my photos and only license them for usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms C,</p>
<p>I was wondering if you were being sarcastic, but I wasn&#8217;t sure. It is hard sometimes to decipher sarcasm on the internet because sarcasm depends so much on the tone of delivery.</p>
<p>That is why people use the little smileys like Nonee did in this thread.</p>
<p>FerfelaBat,</p>
<p>Usually employees of newspapers are under different rules than contract workers.</p>
<p>For example, if I was on staff for the New York Post, any picture I take would be their property.</p>
<p>But as a freelancer, I maintain ownership of all my photos and only license them for usage.</p>
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		<title>By: FerfelaBat</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/03/12/why-i-removed-the-previous-blog-post/#comment-786</link>
		<dc:creator>FerfelaBat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah.  Well.  When I worked at the Herald, even though it was as a computer god and not a writer, the employment contract was worded in such a way that anything I wrote as long as I was on salary there could be construed as the property of the Herald.  I went over it with my boss and human resources a few times when I wrote for other publications to be on the safe side, but it was always in the back of my head as something to worry about.  That&#039;s not why I left, but it was on the list.  It&#039;s a tricky situation so I definitely inderstand where you are coming from on this one.

Sorry you were harrassed again by police.  They are twitchy as hell down here with the spring breakers crawling all over the Keys.  Aparently, McDonalds is ground zero for badness.  That or they&#039;ve become addicted to the yogurt parfaits and don&#039;t want to get too far away from their source.  Try one.  You can hate me later when you find yourself turning into every McD&#039;s drive through to get a parfait fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah.  Well.  When I worked at the Herald, even though it was as a computer god and not a writer, the employment contract was worded in such a way that anything I wrote as long as I was on salary there could be construed as the property of the Herald.  I went over it with my boss and human resources a few times when I wrote for other publications to be on the safe side, but it was always in the back of my head as something to worry about.  That&#8217;s not why I left, but it was on the list.  It&#8217;s a tricky situation so I definitely inderstand where you are coming from on this one.</p>
<p>Sorry you were harrassed again by police.  They are twitchy as hell down here with the spring breakers crawling all over the Keys.  Aparently, McDonalds is ground zero for badness.  That or they&#8217;ve become addicted to the yogurt parfaits and don&#8217;t want to get too far away from their source.  Try one.  You can hate me later when you find yourself turning into every McD&#8217;s drive through to get a parfait fix.</p>
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		<title>By: nonee moose</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/03/12/why-i-removed-the-previous-blog-post/#comment-785</link>
		<dc:creator>nonee moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see now, Carlos. Your First Amendment rights are inviolate. That is, unless you&#039;re paid to move along. Or in this case, shut up.

Where&#039;s the outrage? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see now, Carlos. Your First Amendment rights are inviolate. That is, unless you&#8217;re paid to move along. Or in this case, shut up.</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s the outrage? <img src='http://carlosmiller.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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