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	<title>Comments on: New video and copy of lawsuit provide more details on jailhouse strip search but leave more questions unanswered</title>
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		<title>By: John_H</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/02/04/new-video-and-copy-of-lawsuit-provide-more-details-on-the-stark-county-incident-but-more-questions-as-well/#comment-23908</link>
		<dc:creator>John_H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 21:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawyaman&#039;s problem is that, like most lawyers, he can&#039;t make the distinction between  legal vs  illegal and right vs wrong.

Regardless of what the justice system did to Hope Steffey or the outcome of her crimianl and civil trials in the Stark County kangaroo courts, what happened to her was wrong.  If you can&#039;t see that, then you need a blood test to check your humanity.  If you&#039;re not outraged by what was done to her, not only during her arrest, not just at the jail, but more importantly by the criminal conspiracy commited buy the officials of Stark County to deny Hope Steffey justice, then you are one truly sick person and probably a sociopath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawyaman&#8217;s problem is that, like most lawyers, he can&#8217;t make the distinction between  legal vs  illegal and right vs wrong.</p>
<p>Regardless of what the justice system did to Hope Steffey or the outcome of her crimianl and civil trials in the Stark County kangaroo courts, what happened to her was wrong.  If you can&#8217;t see that, then you need a blood test to check your humanity.  If you&#8217;re not outraged by what was done to her, not only during her arrest, not just at the jail, but more importantly by the criminal conspiracy commited buy the officials of Stark County to deny Hope Steffey justice, then you are one truly sick person and probably a sociopath.</p>
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		<title>By: John_H</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/02/04/new-video-and-copy-of-lawsuit-provide-more-details-on-the-stark-county-incident-but-more-questions-as-well/#comment-23907</link>
		<dc:creator>John_H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 20:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bullshit, bullshit, and bullshit.

Whether or not a judge or jury finds evidence to be boring &quot;minutia&quot; is a matter of skill and presentation of the attorney.  The fact that an incredible amount of evidence was withheld is enough to sustain a charge of evidence tampering against the Sheriff&#039;s office.

According to your own argument, she had her clothing removed because she was flippant and defiant.  That alone is an indictment of the LEOs.  If you truly are a lawyer, you&#039;re not a very good one. 

What you see as a weak case I see as backwoods justice system.  Another example of a poor person gets the legal shaft.  In the big picture, your not going to see the ACLU come to bat for Steffey, but that by no means makes your case that because she was convicted she must have been in the wrong.  It only means that the system had more power to control the evidence and the courts.

The bottom line is that this person who was beaten and kidnapped from her own home for no real reason other than pissing off the goon-cop who was supposed to tbe there to help her, then when the LEOs realized they had screwed up they started making up a case for her being suicidal and then stripping her and humiliating her as means of intimidating her into not pressing charges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bullshit, bullshit, and bullshit.</p>
<p>Whether or not a judge or jury finds evidence to be boring &#8220;minutia&#8221; is a matter of skill and presentation of the attorney.  The fact that an incredible amount of evidence was withheld is enough to sustain a charge of evidence tampering against the Sheriff&#8217;s office.</p>
<p>According to your own argument, she had her clothing removed because she was flippant and defiant.  That alone is an indictment of the LEOs.  If you truly are a lawyer, you&#8217;re not a very good one. </p>
<p>What you see as a weak case I see as backwoods justice system.  Another example of a poor person gets the legal shaft.  In the big picture, your not going to see the ACLU come to bat for Steffey, but that by no means makes your case that because she was convicted she must have been in the wrong.  It only means that the system had more power to control the evidence and the courts.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that this person who was beaten and kidnapped from her own home for no real reason other than pissing off the goon-cop who was supposed to tbe there to help her, then when the LEOs realized they had screwed up they started making up a case for her being suicidal and then stripping her and humiliating her as means of intimidating her into not pressing charges.</p>
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		<title>By: John_H</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/02/04/new-video-and-copy-of-lawsuit-provide-more-details-on-the-stark-county-incident-but-more-questions-as-well/#comment-23906</link>
		<dc:creator>John_H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 20:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So here&#039;s how I would rebut YOUR argunent in court &quot;So you have extraordinalrily weak teeth!   How many peanuts have you eaten in your life?  Did you break a tooth everytime you ate a peanut?  Would you then say this was an extremely rare event?  So then, would your little peanut story (no pun intended) necessarily mean that tooth enamel is less hard than Portland cement?  (As the courtroom laughs your embarrassed ass under the table.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So here&#8217;s how I would rebut YOUR argunent in court &#8220;So you have extraordinalrily weak teeth!   How many peanuts have you eaten in your life?  Did you break a tooth everytime you ate a peanut?  Would you then say this was an extremely rare event?  So then, would your little peanut story (no pun intended) necessarily mean that tooth enamel is less hard than Portland cement?  (As the courtroom laughs your embarrassed ass under the table.)</p>
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		<title>By: John_H</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/02/04/new-video-and-copy-of-lawsuit-provide-more-details-on-the-stark-county-incident-but-more-questions-as-well/#comment-23904</link>
		<dc:creator>John_H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 20:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawyaman, we all know you lawyers are flaming-assed liberals and only you know whats best for everyone else.

What happened to Hope Steffey is nothing less than the opening of law enforcement&#039;s pandora&#039;s box - one officer loses control, makes a series of misjudgements, resorts to violence against the wrong person, is backed up by his fellow law enforecement officers who then join in a conspiracy to frame Hope Steffey and to intimidate her and her family from pursuing any criminal or civil remedies.  National politics has nothing to do with it.

While inexplicably missing video reminds me of the missing segments from the Nixon tapes, authorities stonewalling request for court documents reminds me of judges inexplicably sealing Obama&#039;s birth records.  Law enforcement officials lying to cover their asses reminds me of Nixon and Clinton.  None of that has anything to do with what happened to Hope Steffey.

The only question is whether you believe that her behavior justified the assault on her.  Its fairly clear from the tapes I&#039;ve seen and the reports that I&#039;ve read that she wasn&#039;t suicidal, rather she was being sarcastic.  If the &quot;nurse&quot; responsible for making the call has that poor judgement, then she should be gone.  If not one of the seven adult law enforcement officers present during the assault on Hope Steffey saw nothing wrong and did nothing to stop it, then something is wrong with their attitudes and training, not to mention their humanity, and they should be gone.  We don&#039;t need people with this poor judgement toting guns and having the kind of authority that LEOs have.

I see no difference between what happened to Hope Steffey and what happened to Rodney King, except that Rodney King at 6&#039;6&quot; and 300 pounds required 4 officers to subdue and while Hope Steffey, handcuffed and physically imposing at 5&#039;5&quot; and 113 pounds required seven officers to brutally beat down and strip of her clothing in the most humiliating manner possible.

Anyone on this column that believes there was nothing wrong in what was done to Hope Steffey needs to spend some serious time on a psychiatrist&#039;s couch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawyaman, we all know you lawyers are flaming-assed liberals and only you know whats best for everyone else.</p>
<p>What happened to Hope Steffey is nothing less than the opening of law enforcement&#8217;s pandora&#8217;s box &#8211; one officer loses control, makes a series of misjudgements, resorts to violence against the wrong person, is backed up by his fellow law enforecement officers who then join in a conspiracy to frame Hope Steffey and to intimidate her and her family from pursuing any criminal or civil remedies.  National politics has nothing to do with it.</p>
<p>While inexplicably missing video reminds me of the missing segments from the Nixon tapes, authorities stonewalling request for court documents reminds me of judges inexplicably sealing Obama&#8217;s birth records.  Law enforcement officials lying to cover their asses reminds me of Nixon and Clinton.  None of that has anything to do with what happened to Hope Steffey.</p>
<p>The only question is whether you believe that her behavior justified the assault on her.  Its fairly clear from the tapes I&#8217;ve seen and the reports that I&#8217;ve read that she wasn&#8217;t suicidal, rather she was being sarcastic.  If the &#8220;nurse&#8221; responsible for making the call has that poor judgement, then she should be gone.  If not one of the seven adult law enforcement officers present during the assault on Hope Steffey saw nothing wrong and did nothing to stop it, then something is wrong with their attitudes and training, not to mention their humanity, and they should be gone.  We don&#8217;t need people with this poor judgement toting guns and having the kind of authority that LEOs have.</p>
<p>I see no difference between what happened to Hope Steffey and what happened to Rodney King, except that Rodney King at 6&#8217;6&#8243; and 300 pounds required 4 officers to subdue and while Hope Steffey, handcuffed and physically imposing at 5&#8217;5&#8243; and 113 pounds required seven officers to brutally beat down and strip of her clothing in the most humiliating manner possible.</p>
<p>Anyone on this column that believes there was nothing wrong in what was done to Hope Steffey needs to spend some serious time on a psychiatrist&#8217;s couch.</p>
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		<title>By: John_H</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/02/04/new-video-and-copy-of-lawsuit-provide-more-details-on-the-stark-county-incident-but-more-questions-as-well/#comment-23901</link>
		<dc:creator>John_H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 19:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhh...Republican...the media is clearly in the grasp of the totalitarian left.  Obama is the first presidential candidate to turn down Federal campaign funds because he received so much support from the media, the bankers and foreign governments.  The foremost and most abusinve totalitarian governments in the history of mankind were all communist.  And you are a lying asshole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhh&#8230;Republican&#8230;the media is clearly in the grasp of the totalitarian left.  Obama is the first presidential candidate to turn down Federal campaign funds because he received so much support from the media, the bankers and foreign governments.  The foremost and most abusinve totalitarian governments in the history of mankind were all communist.  And you are a lying asshole.</p>
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		<title>By: John_H</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/02/04/new-video-and-copy-of-lawsuit-provide-more-details-on-the-stark-county-incident-but-more-questions-as-well/#comment-23900</link>
		<dc:creator>John_H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 19:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CM, you are one disgusting asshole.  She was inebriated.  She was sarcastic.  You conclude that she deserved what she got for being inebriated and sarcastic.  I hope I&#039;m around sometime when you are drunk and sarcastic - just so I could make sure you get what you deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CM, you are one disgusting asshole.  She was inebriated.  She was sarcastic.  You conclude that she deserved what she got for being inebriated and sarcastic.  I hope I&#8217;m around sometime when you are drunk and sarcastic &#8211; just so I could make sure you get what you deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: John_H</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/02/04/new-video-and-copy-of-lawsuit-provide-more-details-on-the-stark-county-incident-but-more-questions-as-well/#comment-23898</link>
		<dc:creator>John_H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 19:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if you&#039;re making a sarcastic comment to a LEO and they beat the crap out of you and humiliate you, you brought it on yourself.  Man, I&#039;d really like to meet you in person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if you&#8217;re making a sarcastic comment to a LEO and they beat the crap out of you and humiliate you, you brought it on yourself.  Man, I&#8217;d really like to meet you in person.</p>
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		<title>By: John_H</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/02/04/new-video-and-copy-of-lawsuit-provide-more-details-on-the-stark-county-incident-but-more-questions-as-well/#comment-23896</link>
		<dc:creator>John_H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 19:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would defend these guys if they killed her in cold blood and there was a video tape and 100 eye witnesses to prove it.  Your comments are no longer welcome or taken seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would defend these guys if they killed her in cold blood and there was a video tape and 100 eye witnesses to prove it.  Your comments are no longer welcome or taken seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: John_H</title>
		<link>http://carlosmiller.com/2008/02/04/new-video-and-copy-of-lawsuit-provide-more-details-on-the-stark-county-incident-but-more-questions-as-well/#comment-23894</link>
		<dc:creator>John_H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 19:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawyaman, you just don&#039;t get it.  It doesn&#039;t matter what the arrestee says or does, short of a physical attack on the officers, there is NO EXCUSE for this intentional humiliation.  this is nothing but the LEOs proving that they have the power of life and death - and utter humilaition over anybody they so chose.  Isn&#039;t a person supposed to be convicted BEFORE they are punished.  If you really believe that the actions of the jailers were justifiable under the circumstances, you are a truly sick person.

If any LEO ever did that to me wife or daughter, jail and financial ruin would be the least of his/her problems.  They would spend the rest of their lives on the run from me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawyaman, you just don&#8217;t get it.  It doesn&#8217;t matter what the arrestee says or does, short of a physical attack on the officers, there is NO EXCUSE for this intentional humiliation.  this is nothing but the LEOs proving that they have the power of life and death &#8211; and utter humilaition over anybody they so chose.  Isn&#8217;t a person supposed to be convicted BEFORE they are punished.  If you really believe that the actions of the jailers were justifiable under the circumstances, you are a truly sick person.</p>
<p>If any LEO ever did that to me wife or daughter, jail and financial ruin would be the least of his/her problems.  They would spend the rest of their lives on the run from me.</p>
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